Nick Moss Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I'm doing a bit of research on the Rothmans SCRSs and need a bit of help. I'm trying to identify which car was driven by whom in various rallies in 1984, 85 and 86. Who can find pictures of the various cars, showing the number plates, and preferably the driver details as well? The drivers I am aware of are Henri Toivenen, who drove in the European Rally Championship, Said el Hajri and Billy Coleman. There were 5, possibly 6, Rothmans cars, the reg numbers I know of are A974 BRX, A451 BJB and A815 CCF. What else can you guys come up with? Edited June 3, 2011 by Nick Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcarrera Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Roger Clark 1984 RAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverjamesthomas Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 They weren't actually Prodrive cars, Nick. They were Dave Richards Motorsport, in Rothmans colours. DRE were based at Silverstone at the time and were later to become Prodrive, with a shift of operations. A chap called John Spiller was an administrator at DRE at the time and became a co-driver in one of the cars. He subsequently went to work for a team in Dubai, the name of which I may be able to find out next week. The names of the drivers you have are correct, save for one spelling; it is Saeed Al Hajri, a Qatari which might be a tenuous link to John Spiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsaSC Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 In 911&PW magazine there was a story of a reunion of those cars some time last year. Can't find the issue now. There was also a Finnish built replica of Henri Toivonen's Costa Smeralda winner car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Moss Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) Thanks guys. I have a copy of the 911 & P World article and I'm only interested in period photos or info, so no replicas thanks This is the sort of thing I'm after Toivonen & Piironen 1st Madeira Rally 1984 in A815 CCF. This is a period Rothmans PR picture. Edited June 3, 2011 by Nick Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hukent Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 They weren't actually Prodrive cars, Nick. They were Dave Richards Motorsport, in Rothmans colours. DRE were based at Silverstone at the time and were later to become Prodrive, with a shift of operations. A chap called John Spiller was an administrator at DRE at the time and became a co-driver in one of the cars. He subsequently went to work for a team in Dubai, the name of which I may be able to find out next week. The names of the drivers you have are correct, save for one spelling; it is Saeed Al Hajri, a Qatari which might be a tenuous link to John Spiller. OJT is correct on this, John Spiller is now Rally manager/co-ordinator for Malcolm Wilson Motorsport (FORD), he's a great bloke, and loves to talk about the Porsche days at DRE, as he loves these cars. I'm sure if you contact him, he would give you all the info. you need, as he keeps records of EVERYTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsaSC Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) There is some more period pics of SCRS's and group 4 SC's too. http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/photo...sujet379284.htm Same car and rally as above. A974BRX, Toivonen- Piironen Edited June 3, 2011 by EsaSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Moss Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks guys, those are good contacts for inside info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish Franklin Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) Thanks guys, those are good contacts for inside info. Nick - do you know Johan? He's the font of all knowledge on these cars, especially the 2 belgian ones. http://scrs.eye4u-productions.be/ or http://911motorsport.be/?p=240 I can put you in touch if you like. All cars at this event were real ones, so its a good starting point. Cheers, Hamish Edited June 3, 2011 by Hamish Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Moss Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks Hamish, we have been in contact with Johan, but he didn't have any specific info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick Moss Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Thanks for that one, which I didn't have before, it's El Hajri on the 1985 Acropolis. Here are a couple more from the same event This is the car that started this investigation. It's owned by a friend of mine and he's trying to fill in a few gaps in it's history. BTW OJT, Prodrive claim to have set up in 1984, so I don't think I'm wrong in describing these as Prodive Rothmans SCRSs Edited June 8, 2011 by Nick Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndglynn Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't think you are wrong either, DR calls them Prodrive cars IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJesus Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thanks guys. I have a copy of the 911 & P World article and I'm only interested in period photos or info, so no replicas thanks This is the sort of thing I'm after Toivonen & Piironen 1st Madeira Rally 1984 in A815 CCF. This is a period Rothmans PR picture. I was right here when this picture was taken!! Nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I was right here when this picture was taken!! Nice... Nice skirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Moss Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Nice skirt That's no way to greet a new member! Hi Alex and welcome to IB. I don't suppose you have any photos of your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 That's no way to greet a new member! Haha, sorry I was just wondering which person in the photo Alex was (there when it was taken) ? I assumed he was standing on the steps. Welcome Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran T Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Should have replied to this earlier Local Legend http://www.johndglynn.com/in-car-video-ral...rsche-911-sc-rs I will try to get some piccies of this car - I also know someone who claims to have an SCRS (?) lots of them around these here parts! Kieran Edited November 9, 2011 by Kieran T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippy930 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Kieran as far as I know Billy C. still has one himself up in Millstreet. I'm sure he has plenty of images that might be of interest to Nick - get on to Denis and Mel... They know him quite well I believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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