Al_W Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Higgoes having a kaaz fitted at SVP ,when he learns how to drive it properly he may be able to offer some feedback Tuthills fitted mine with one last year. If only I could drive it properly.... It does seem very stable braking for emergency cake-stops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Brake much later into the corner but shift the brake bias towards the rear of the car. Sounds ideal for my brake setup then Edited September 14, 2011 by GaryH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I know my car had hardly any brakes and shot suspension but every times I use to brake very hard, it felt like the car was wobbling from the back. is that normal? does LSD change this feeling or is it just because I don't know how to brake? Gary... don't laugh at my car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bernau Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yes, at extremes, the rear will tend to walk slightly from side to side and a plate-type LSD will tend to keep the rear more straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yes, at extremes, the rear will tend to walk slightly from side to side and a plate-type LSD will tend to keep the rear more straight. Mine doesn't. Is that because of my comedy rearward brake bias ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldo Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Thanks chaps I feel educated. I will try that LSD braking thing the next time the security hut asks me to stop at Canary Wharf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bernau Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Mine doesn't. Is that because of my comedy rearward brake bias ? Its because you are unimaginably slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Its because you are unimaginably slow Only doing one trackday a year does that to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carreracat Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) Carreracat can I start again on this as I was guilty of throwing my before knowing exactly what you want from an upgrade. I’ve got a few questions I hope you can answer, What aspect of your current 930 set up do you want to improve, is it the look ie something a bit brighter or modern looking, or braking stability under cornering ie front/rear bias, repeatable stopping efficiency ie reduce or eliminate brake fade, the feel of the pedal, shorter stopping distance, to save weight, to replace worn parts, to allow for more track specific use etc.etc.????? It would also help if you can rank what you want from an upgrade in order of importance first. Also tell us a bit more about your car, has the engine been up rated and if so to what level, is it stripped and lighted, does it have an LSD if so how aggressive is it under braking, what size and type are your wheels and tyres and do you plan on changing these when you upgrade, if so to what, how scorchio is it out there compared to the UK, what type of tracks are they, short straights and slow corners or long straights and fast corners????? How far do you want to go with this, do you want improve your current set up without spending too much money ie pad and fluid change and maybe some air ducting, or would rather mix and match 2nd hand Porsche parts form other models or do you want the best you can get and don’t mind spending some cash, do you want an easy bolt on change or happy to go to the trouble of getting a few parts machined up????? The more you can tell us the better chance someone on here can recommend the right upgrade for you and your car. errr... righto. been offshore for a few days and have come back to check my brake options to find all this!! apologies to all for starting it all off, and as you say let's start a fresh. my original post wasn't meant for my car (i should have been more clear). i am helping a friend who has a modified 930 that he wants to return to stock. before he begins he wants to shop for all his parts and he's getting towards the end of the shopping spree. the one think he doesn't have is any brakes that will fit under 16" fuch - so he is not looking for "sock down his y fronts" upgrade but he has to buy brakes that will fit and want to know what his options are. so far we have discovered that there are AP, tuthill, early 911, 993, 996, boxster and of course original 930 options on the table. he is unsure of what he wants the car to do but most likely fast road with 1 - 2 track days a year at sepang. road use is similar to UK b roads. he is looking for bolt on as getting much machining done here is a right pain. the car has an LSD and a G50 gearbox. the engine has been motec'd and some other bits to give a reported 350 ish bhp. as for my car... i was happy in principal with what was on the car when i bought it i though were boxster S brakes with 3.2 pads as i was told that they would fit under 16" fuch which i too am changing to. i say in principal as because my car was a dog when i bought it i have never used the brakes in anger! because of this thread, i have looked more into it and have been informed that boxster calipers and 3.2 discs are not a good idea as the feel is bad; so perhaps i too will look into changing them - but if the do indeed fit under my fuch then it will slip down the to do list provided the work ok whilst the car gets run in. my car also has an LSD but is still on the 4 speed 'box. for me, feel and progression are important, i just want my brakes to stop me before i hit anything else - i'm not worried about track times, if i was i would just stop eating burgers! my engine has been fully rebuilt but i don't know what power it will be as it's not back in the bloody car yet, but i've got a HKS7200 TC, a turbokraft intercooler, 550cc injectors, 964 cams, 996 turbo oil pump, 3.2 barrels & pistons and motec so i'm hoping for above the stock 260 bhp Edited September 15, 2011 by carreracat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPerkles Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) easy answer is stock 930 as they will bolt on and work as good or almost as good as anything else for fast road use ps Tripe can also supply new ones at good prices Edited September 15, 2011 by MrPerkles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbombedout Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 - i'm not worried about track times, if i was i would just stop eating burgers! Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carreracat Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 easy answer is stock 930 as they will bolt on and work as good or almost as good as anything else for fast road useps Tripe can also supply new ones at good prices post 78 930 brakes? the original brakes for the 3.0 i thought were SC units? and was there another change in 930 brakes after 82/83? Classic. and possibly a few less pints per day?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type911 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yes, must be 3.3 turbo brakes that ran from 1978-89 no changes. The 3.0 turbo has S caliper (alloy SC ones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldo Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Wow Dom you do know some interesting car stuff, if you was based in London I would move to your garage and be your apprentice like the students did in those old 80's kung fu movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl930 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Attitude? Look at what I quoted. If you didn't mean to be sarcastic (ie, the attitude) then you have a strange way of expressing yourself. Then, I recall you calling me an idiot in a certain Rufalike thread recently.... Maybe I allowed my interpretation of your post to be coloured by your posting history towards me, but thats hardly unexpected is it? I have no problem with you - you have a cool car, you have been thru hell and back to get it where it is, I have read all the posts on other forums about the car, you have a lot to contribute. Respect. I want to hear what you have to say and I want to hear about your car. More importantly, I am sure you are man enough to take the odd question/comment about the facts behind your opinion for what it is - a question or comment. I have never questioned your integrity or character, so don't act like I have and take it personally. I have asked you questions that are factual, like CHTs or brake bias. Now, its not my sandbox, but I have been in this sandbox since the very beginning and I have some idea of how we are supposed to play around here. My history on this board is trying to help people out with thoughtful posts based on factual information. When I am wrong, I take it on the chin, but seat of the pants generally doesn't trump facts and I am not afraid of asking folks to back an opinion up with some good hard evidence. What some specialist may have told you isn't fact - its just another opinion, maybe a very good opinion, but not always and sometimes specialists turn out to be dead wrong. Just this once, however, I do have a personal comment - just maybe, you might like to take the time to see who some of the others on this board are and what they might know before you start throwing down the insults or suggesting they are not sufficiently experienced. If you do that, it will be pretty obvious why I responded the way I did. I have said my bit. No big deal. Back to business as usual. $0.02 I'd forgotten about that thread, sorry you feel put out about the head material thing, facts are facts though, and i don't really tolerate argumentative people well. Turbo heads are made of stronger alloy, and i doubt very much Porsche used it for any other reason than it was 'needed'..... You continuing to dispute this did make you look silly, but that's your prerogative. And i said you are making yourself 'look like an idiot', i didn't directly call you an idiot 993 front brakes with 930 fronts on the rear also work very very well, i know because i use them, and have tested them extensively. I thought maybe you had some experience with the set up that you may share, i didn't realize you were just out looking for retribution. It's good to know C2 and C4 calipers are the same, i like learning new stuff, that's why i read forums. I guess i was hood winked again with regards to the brakes, not the first time with using 9M as you know. They work very well though so no foul really. I think if you go back and read you initial responses to my posts none of them are exactly friendly are they, they don't start with 'Hey Jon, not sure that's quite correct mate, i think you'll find.....' You tuck straight into your abrasive retort, i responded matter of fact about the heads Richard, and you wouldn't let it drop or admit you had the wrong info, your bad not mine chap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nige Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Lets move on please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bernau Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Jon - well done, you are right about everything. Next time I won't bother to engage at all. Life's too short for responding to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndglynn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 December 2012 and just had this thread reported. Not sure what to do about that as we locked it in September 2011. Jon Lang is no more: he died earlier in 2012. Never the easiest guy to get into a debate with online, but he loved his Porsches and had paid with his hard-earned for other's mistakes. That epic 930 was a genuine 200 mph car. I am going to leave all his posts online. It takes all kinds and, while he was one of a kind, he was one of us too. RIP Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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