Acilliaries for 993 transplant

[Phill]

With my car being pretty much there looks, rust and mechanicals wise the next big project down the line will be a 993 implant.

 

Now, provided I was able to score myself a complete engine with manifolds etc etc and it didn't need a rebuild or other internal work what are the other expenses involved? Am I right in thinking some sort of conversion kit and a clutch?

[Beaky]

With my car being pretty much there looks, rust and mechanicals wise the next big project down the line will be a 993 implant.

 

Now, provided I was able to score myself a complete engine with manifolds etc etc and it didn't need a rebuild or other internal work what are the other expenses involved? Am I right in thinking some sort of conversion kit and a clutch?

 

 

Sorry can't help, but am interested for the future

 

I know a few of the folks have already gone down this path and shoud be able to provide the necessary info.

 

One thing that I would assume is needed is some form of wiring loom patch and potentially a ECU upgrade

 

Regards

Edited November 3, 2011 by Beaky

[MrPerkles]

With my car being pretty much there looks, rust and mechanicals wise the next big project down the line will be a 993 implant.

 

Now, provided I was able to score myself a complete engine with manifolds etc etc and it didn't need a rebuild or other internal work what are the other expenses involved? Am I right in thinking some sort of conversion kit and a clutch?

http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7918

best and smoothest 3.6 install thread ,Tripe can also supply most of the parts

but can you handle the fake boob tag ?

[Tripe]

Scroll through that thread to page 7 and you'll find a spreadsheet listing all the parts required. I wear my fake boobs with pride.

[MrPerkles]

Scroll through that thread to page 7 and you'll find a spreadsheet listing all the parts required. I wear my fake boobs with pride.

i cant reach them

[Fred]

how easy will it be to swap back to your original engine?

 

I have seen a thread on a French forum where the guy installed a 3.6 inside his carrera 1987. Every modifications were done on the engine so he could fit back very easily his 3.2 (without modifs) when he wanted to sale his car. not sure what to think about that?

[Jaskas]

In my case it would propably take about 1 days work to get it back to original. I still have the stock engine waiting for the day...

None of the mods needed for the 3.6 transplant are "permanent". No welding/grinding is needed to be done for the chassis.

[Phill]

i cant reach them

 

Get Tripe to move a little closer then

 

When I come to doing this I won't be worrying about reversal. I would need to sell my 3.0 to fund the work anyway. My car, looks wise, could go back to original no problem but underneath - no chance, used to be a sporto!

[Phill]

Scroll through that thread to page 7 and you'll find a spreadsheet listing all the parts required. I wear my fake boobs with pride.

 

Thanks for that, it looks comprehensive. There is a fair bit of money there as I thought. I will read the whole thread as soon as I get a couple of hours. It seems the trick is to get a complete an engine as possible.

[MrPerkles]

after discussing this in the car park last night with Tripe we agreed page 5 has the most useful information

[jevvy]

In my case it would propably take about 1 days work to get it back to original. I still have the stock engine waiting for the day...

None of the mods needed for the 3.6 transplant are "permanent". No welding/grinding is needed to be done for the chassis.

 

Hey Jaskas I didnt realise you were on IB too - I watched your pelican conversion thread with interest. Hows the car going now? You done many more trackdays?

 

@ phil - yes find the engine first, dont buy anything until you do as you never know what might crop up. I wouldn't be too desperate to buy a 993 lump either, yes they are a touch better as a base engine but are also about £2+k more than a 964 lump which is almost half a rebuild. If you pay £4.5k for a 993 lump AND it needs a rebuild then it can become a very expensive exercise.

 

That said if you find a 993 lump with a good story in the £3000-3500 range then jump on it

 

Have you been in a 3.6 powered IB?

 

Happy to help with any questions you might have.

[jevvy]

Love this vid Jake:

 

[Phill]

Thanks Jevvy,

 

That's interesting about the 964 being that much cheaper and the logic around rebuild is very sound. What about the 964 reliability stories? What are the downsides to the 964 engine, if there are any really.

 

I haven't been in a 3.6 IB but I can imagine that it is quite the experience. If there is anyone nearish me with one I wouldn't mind a ride sometime.

[jevvy]

Thanks Jevvy,

 

That's interesting about the 964 being that much cheaper and the logic around rebuild is very sound. What about the 964 reliability stories? What are the downsides to the 964 engine, if there are any really.

 

I haven't been in a 3.6 IB but I can imagine that it is quite the experience. If there is anyone nearish me with one I wouldn't mind a ride sometime.

 

I think its 4 out of 4 people that came for a ride in my car that ended up doing a conversion, fancy being the 5th?

 

I'm based in Reading so maybe not too far from you? Mines currently out of tax but happy to throw some on it if you want to swing by - just let me know. I've got one of each of the 3.6 lumps here(964, 993 & 993 Vram) so you could kill a few birds with one stone

 

FWIW by the time you have tweaked a 964 lump to fit an IB(removed power steering, freeflow air filter & exhaust + remap) you will be within a few bhp of a 993 lump.

 

Golden rule has to be buy the right engine with the right story - takes some digging but you will find one.

[ALEX P]

Golden rule has to be buy the right engine with the right story

 

Yep, I'll vouch for that!

 

There's a lot of 70k mile engines out there with lost history. Don't see that many 964's or 993's with 70k anymore though!

Edited November 3, 2011 by ALEX P

[World Citizen]

I think its 4 out of 4 people that came for a ride in my car that ended up doing a conversion, fancy being the 5th?

Jev, you should have asked 'Go on punk make my day' , would have been much more intimidating

[Dr Rock]

Jev, you should have asked 'Go on punk make my day' , would have been much more intimidating

Or: "To tell you the truth, in all this excitement (I've got one of each of the 3.6 lumps here(964, 993 & 993 Vram) I've kind of lost track myself"

[jevvy]

Jev, you should have asked 'Go on punk make my day' , would have been much more intimidating

 

...or thats not an engine...this is an engine!

 

 

 

Or: "To tell you the truth, in all this excitement (I've got one of each of the 3.6 lumps here(964, 993 & 993 Vram) I've kind of lost track myself"

 

I now realise that sounded a bit twatty, wasn't meant to be so

[MrPerkles]

...or thats not an engine...this is an engine!

 

 

 

 

 

I now realise that sounded a bit twatty, wasn't meant to be so

dont worry Jev ill rephrase it for you

[Tripe]

Phill, save yourself a lot of heartache & hassle by buying an engine c/w ECU and wiring harness to connect it.

 

 

MS (with squirty cream option like Katy Perry's)

 

[burgundyben]

Phill, save yourself a lot of heartache & hassle by buying an engine c/w ECU and wiring harness to connect it.

 

Tripe is right about that, those of us that have done otherwise found it gets as bit complex.

 

I reckon with care, you can buy the motor and do the job for £6k, less what you get back for your motor.

 

That does not include brakes and suspension of course.

 

Is it worth it? Oh god yeah.

[Phill]

Thanks all for your input, there is a lot to consider.

 

Jevvy I may take you up on the offer.

 

Ben, 6K is cheaper than I thought it might be especially with my 3.0 taken off. Looking more promising all the time (still £500 to find though ).

 

Complete engine with wires et al definitely seems like the sensible option, maybe a front end write off?

[burgundyben]

Complete engine with wires et al definitely seems like the sensible option, maybe a front end write off?

 

In an ideal world you wouldn't buy a motor from a crashed car, big impacts don't do them any good.

 

But in the real world, what else you gonna get?

 

I'd avoid one that has been rolled, might have run upside down with maybe no oil for a few seconds.

[Jaskas]

Love this vid Jake:

 

 

Hi Jevvy!

 

If watch the vid closely at 2:55 a fellow impactbumpers used who also has a 3.6 in his IB is showing the finger to a passing 993 ( Guess who )

 

The 3.6 is holding up great. It has done now about 10 000 miles and about 10 trackdays! In next winters plans are to add more cooling, otherwise no problems at all!

3.6 is the way to go! Easy, realiable and rather cheap mod!