SilverWT Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 I was just thinking about going to bed at 12:20 Saturday night when my garage alarm phoned me and the IP camera emailed me. Had a look on the IP camera app on the mobile, but could not see anything. Went down to investigate (double garage at the bottom of the garden) and found someone had gone through the roof! They landed right next to the rear of my 3.2, luckily missing it, but the broken roofing sheets hit the car and they then stood on the spoiler to climb out . But, there was a lot of blood left behind . Not much I could do then except reset the alarms and enter an online crime report. Got a call Sunday morning from a forensics guy to say he was on his way to have a look, he was very excited to see so much blood (he said they are frustrated that there is often not much forensic material left behind), took swabs and some fingerprints. A local Cop called round on Monday morning to check things out. I had already cleared things up, but he was very interested in the pictures of all the blood. Odd thing is there was no blood trail outside the garage and so the thought is a partner in crime was able to use something to stem the blood flow. So will have to see if they get an database hits. A few pics... Now have to decide what to do about the roof, insurance claim or not, and the extra "patina" on the 3.2. Don't think they were master criminals targeting the cars, especially as together with the blood they left one flipflop behind under all the rubble. I'm not an expert, but doubt flipflops are the best burgling footwear. Mark
R2D2 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Mate - what a nightmare but glad nothing pinched. Dogs on chains - its the only answer.
Henry Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Blighters! Kids playing on the roof perhaps? Hope they catch them , glad when fell they missed the Car!
ALEX P Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Well I guess that's karma for you Mark! As you say no serious burglar/car thief is going to be wearing flip-flops. It must have been kids or p155ed lads messing around. Either way, I'd get it all buttoned up & add some bigger landing spikes! At least you know your alarm works well.
SP72 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 “Hi Mark, its your garage - there’s blood everywhere, best you come have a look”
Leicestershire Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Pi** heads on the way home? Just doesn't sound like an break in. If it was a concern cross joists supporting steel reinforcing mesh would be easy and inexpensive to install and provide extra time. If you discuss this with your insurer you will get a mark attached to your file - if they send out an assessor it will also show as a cost. This will change your renewal and increase your insurance for the next 5 - 10 years.
MarkJ Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Yikes! looks like someone jumped onto the roof from an adjoining garage and went straight through. So lucky they didn't land on the car and they must be hurt quite bad! Glad the cars didn't get damaged too badly, unlike the culprit
Phill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Sorry to see that Mark, royal pain the butt. Summary justice for the culprit, that will smart for a while Good chance to get rid of that asbestos roofing though
Beaky Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Sorry to hear this Mark, hopefully only minor scuffs on the car that will polish out. Whoever these bloody Ar&eholes are deserve a good spanking............
BenC Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 sorry to read this Mark - hope the little bastards suffer a long and painful bought of tetanus!!!! at least the cars didn't get completely wrecked in the process.
Drinky Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Bloody hell Mark, glad to hear the car isn't badly damaged, good luck with repairs/insurance
flatsix777 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Holy moly Mark - that’s almost unbelievable! Great security though and good that all was nearly intact. I think I’d repair myself though. David
Beaky Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just a thought, is that roofing material asbestos free?
Leicestershire Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Beaky said: Just a thought, is that roofing material asbestos free? It is now
SilverWT Posted June 12, 2018 Author Posted June 12, 2018 Thanks for all the positive thoughts guys. 4 hours ago, MarkJ said: looks like someone jumped onto the roof from an adjoining garage No need to jump on it, unless you spread your weight with crawling boards you will go straight through. Even a halfwit villain should know most garage/shed roof are fragile. 54 minutes ago, Beaky said: Just a thought, is that roofing material asbestos free? No, its the good stuff, full of asbestos. Low risk as long as you don't saw or drill it. 58 minutes ago, flatsix777 said: think I’d repair myself though. I'm considering this, but a couple of issues. It is not so easy to get the same corrugated profile in modern materials. As I have a crime number its in the public domain and the insurance conditions specifically state I have to tell them " if anyone living at your address has suffered any loss or damage, whether or not subject to an insurance claim". So I would risk any future claim being refused by not telling them, a bit of a false economy if the house burnt down and they would not pay to rebuild it! I may see if I can get the whole thing replaced on the grounds of safety as roofing contractors will not work with asbestos, only remove and replace. Got so people coming around to give me some quotes in the next couple of days. 4 hours ago, Leicestershire said: Pi** heads on the way home? Maybe, but would you be walking down an unlit overgrown lane with thorns and stinging nettles in flipflops (size 12 Nike fakes)? Does a normal person even go out in the evening in flipflops if they are not at the beach? Mark
Busybee Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Glad the car is ok. Not enough blood for my liking 😂 Roof sounds like a potential weak spot mate. I’d not just replace it with fibre cement sheets. Insulated steel sheets. That’ll take a bit of work to get through and will span a good way unsupported. Alarm and camera worked well. Infra red detector connected to a siren and flashing orange light inside. Scare the crap out of them if they ever did get in. Danger is the toe rags know it’s there now. Can you move it short term? Edited June 12, 2018 by Busybee
alastair Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just wait for the injury claim coming your way - you are liable for injury sustained unless there are "fragile roof" warning signs. Crazy, I know, but there is legal precedent. Getting rid of the existing asbestos cement roof sheets legitimately will also be expensive: The contractor needs to be qualified for non-licensed working with asbestos and operatives need health surveillance in perpetuity. Full PPE - disposable suits, gloves and suitable face mask with decontamination zone for removing PPE which must then be bagged and disposed of as hazardous waste. Dedicated covered skip lined with polythene required for hazardous waste which must be bagged or wrapped in polythene and taped up then needs appropriate consignment documentation for disposal at licenced landfill site. Look up "Asbestos Essentials" on HSE website. It is a nightmare, but the right people can do it all legally at a cost.
Bankjobbob Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 I have a similar alarm system last summer it rang when I was in bed and rather that waiting for a film clip and thinking it will be the cat, I just headed out with my torch dressed in just my pants , it's quite a video I gave to the plod of me chasing 3 blokes out of my opened garage and across the fields,
SilverWT Posted June 12, 2018 Author Posted June 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, alastair said: Just wait for the injury claim coming your way Another reason for letting the insurance company know!
Richot1989 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Re repairing the roof yourself, it looks like a Compton garage. I have one of these and have replaced some of the corrogated fibre roof panels with clear corrugated 'plastic' ones which they can supply. These act like large sky-lights and thus have the great advantage of letting a lot of light into the garage. - I wouldn't be without them. They do discolour over time (I've had mine for approx 20yrs and they are a little opaque now but still let in loads of light). Anyway, its just a thought/suggestion.
MarkJ Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Asbestos dust and fibres are the lethal bits to the lungs, especially now it’s broken and laying in pieces on the floor. Use the proper face mask and gloves before handling any of that stuff. Seen some grim H&S vids. I wonder if the council have some duty of care to remove it now it’s been broken? Or insurance should pay up for its removal.
Northy Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Hope the claim gets sorted out OK Mark. Bet that had the heart pumping when you went out there! For what it’s worth, you can put asbestos in a local tip to us, it just needs wrapping up in plastic sheeting first.
Robos911 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Looks like the car had a lucky escape but still loads of hassle you could do without!! Concrete asbestos isn't as bad as other types and you are allowed to deal with it yourself but you still need to be careful. Basically rated mask, disposable coveralls, gloves and double bag everything. I took a complete garage down, the council here have a skip at the local tip for asbestos disposal but it only comes once a month and you have to book in! Worth doing if your clearing up to get the car out!
Von Twinzig Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 You could put Onduline on as a replacement, easy enough, light and pretty tough, but not the best in fires (see Grenfell Tower). Personally I’d go for a profiled metal sheet, but you’ll need to insulate it or use a composite otherwise it’ll rain with condensation under the right (wrong conditions). Having been in the f/c roofing business for years I wouldn’t put non-asbestos 3” profile back over any car of mine. Shed and rabbit hutch use only. Can leak on low pitches. FWIW having had the choice of pretty much anything at the time my garage and out buildings have had double skin steel over a jack roof system for the last 25 years. Still working fine. VT
GrahamTompkins Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Ha Ha Alistair....are you suggesting that warning signs need to be displayed on private domestic garages and obviously at night be illuminated? Possibly different presidents apply in Scotland but in England I think that there is no chance that any claim for injury would stand a snowballs chance ...apart from anything else, contributory negligence using unsuitable footware, I.e flip flops 😂😉 Graham
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