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Just planning ahead for my Dyno tune and considering a fall back position/plan B option

As we all know the “go to” person for tuning your car is Wayne at Chipwizards.  To say he’s very very busy and hard to get hold of is an understatement but I know he's worth the wait

That said in the event he’s not free for several months or say he decided to immigrate to Oz, what are our alternatives, who would folks recommend?

Who do the like of Neil Banbridge, Nick Fulljames use if not Chipwizards.

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Neil uses Wayne.

Get a dyno run with AFR plot, send to Steve Wong.  Not as good as a live map, but not far off in my experience, as I went from a SW chip to a map session with Wayne 

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38 minutes ago, SP72 said:

Neil uses Wayne.

Get a dyno run with AFR plot, send to Steve Wong.  Not as good as a live map, but not far off in my experience, as I went from a SW chip to a map session with Wayne 

I've had a Steve Wong chip in the past and it was good, but having done the engine I'd prefer a live map to optimise it.

I wonder if there's a Wayne equivalent in Netherlands, Belgium or France?

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I think the only real alternative is a new non Motronic ECU...........................££££

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Well now.....

What about a group buy of the Canems product that utilizes the existing loom and sensors?

https://www.canems.co.uk/pdf/Canems DRH Motronic ML1-X.pdf

Whilst the initial "ticket price" is expensive, hopefully a group buy could help? It's apparently a very good product - fully programmable, base maps loaded, full support (easier for those in UK) and the compatibility saves what should be considerable install costs, cost of harness, sensors etc. Additionally it should be fully reversible with no effort if required?

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It's probably where I'm going to end up..................

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8 minutes ago, Beaky said:

It's probably where I'm going to end up..................

Because you can’t get hold of Wayne?

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16 minutes ago, SP72 said:

Because you can’t get hold of Wayne?

Yes and the fact Motronic is a compromise for our engines

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10 hours ago, Magnum said:

Well now.....

What about a group buy of the Canems product that utilizes the existing loom and sensors?

https://www.canems.co.uk/pdf/Canems DRH Motronic ML1-X.pdf

Whilst the initial "ticket price" is expensive, hopefully a group buy could help? It's apparently a very good product - fully programmable, base maps loaded, full support (easier for those in UK) and the compatibility saves what should be considerable install costs, cost of harness, sensors etc. Additionally it should be fully reversible with no effort if required?

This also gives you the option of switching to a MAF sensor too without a piggyback MAF controller...

This is what I’m running on my 3.4.

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Hi Max,

Sorry for the million questions:

When switching to the Canems ECU, did you need to create a baseline map for it to work and can this be copied from the Motronic.

About from your own MAF were there any other modification required, say to the wiring, injectors - trying to gauge what level of plug and play it really is.

Ultimately a Dyno tune will optimise the performance and if memory serves me right from your thread any decent dynoist (did I just make that word up!) should be able to configure the ECU.

Thanks

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Hi Beaky,

The Canems ECU comes pre-loaded with a calibration for a stock 3.2 - you can literally just plug it in and go if you’re engine’s fairly stock - it errs on the safe side with both timing and fuelling, so even with a standard engine it would be worth getting it optimised on dyno.

The calibration would also be close enough to get you running/moving with a modified engine providing it’s nothing too radical - you’d want to stay away from high load/speed until it’s been optimised on dyno though.

To run a MAF you’d need a powered loom adapter, plus inlet pipe adapter, air filter and support bracket.

The inlet pipe adapter and support bracket I’m running are as per my MAF kits - I’ve still  got drawings for these so could get some made up. I can provide the K&N air filter part number too (it’s from an Audi V8).

The loom adapter I’m running was a one off I made up but I’ve got spare connectors and I’m pretty sure I kept a record of what connects to what.

If you stick with a barn door flow meter then I reckon a competent dyno tuner should be able to optimise the full load in an hour or so of dyno time.

If you switch to a MAF you’ve got to calibrate the fuelling at part load, full load and during warm up from scratch - this is more like a full day’s effort on a dyno... or you can fit a Lambda sensor and do it yourself on some quiet roads with a willing assistant that doesn’t get car sick looking at a laptop screen!

cheers

Matt

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Max, thanks for this info, much appreciated.

I used to have a DME shop 24 MAF on the car, but the last time I had it dyno'ed by Wayne, he whipped it off and put the old barn door AFM back as he preferred it - it seemed to work fine!

I subsequent sold it :banghead:

It's probabaly too complicated for me and I just don't have the time to do this DIY.

Nick Fulljames recommend as outfit called Lloyd Specialist Developments (that's who he uses)  who for £3.4k plus VAT do the whole thing top to tail, so engine check, ECU installation, new loom, new Injectors, dyno & tune, etc etc, takes about 4 weeks but will need check about the MAF.

Pricy no :o

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Yes they use a MAF replacement.

So doing the maths and they are all estimates:

Canems ECU   750
Loom     100
MAF     400
Injectors     600
Labour      750
Dyno     400
Total     3000

Perhaps their costs for a bespoke  set up and tune for your car isn't too bad after all.

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I just remembered, my current Motronic ECU unit is a new one sourced from Germany two years ago, never been opened or tampered and with only about 7k miles use.

That's got to be worth £800 + that can be put against the cost of the above.....................I think I'm slowly persuading myself which way to go! 

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If that is a genuine CS item, it could be worth a fair bit more than a standard 3.2 one.

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Wayne has just confirmed a date in early September, so may do this and an interim step and that will give me more time in investigate other longer term options.  

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Did anybody contact Canems and suggest a group buy? I may be after one now too....

Chris.

 

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20 hours ago, Chris T said:

Did anybody contact Canems and suggest a group buy? I may be after one now too....

Chris.

 

I spoke with Dave from Canem, very knowledgeable and helpful guy. They do a plug and play option that has a base map to get you up and running.  His unit can be used with both AFM and MAF, and there are various options for data pick up for the latter. It also has the capability to handle different ignition options depending on where you want to go with your mod.

I explained that as an interim step I'm having the Motronics mapped by Wayne. He suggested I have a good chat with Wayne on options as they have mapped Canems before.

We didn't get onto the question of price but I'm sure if there is enough demand a deal could be done.

 

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I've asked the question in an email would they entertain a group buy and if so, how many units? 

I'm up for one I think, it seems to be the neatest solution to feed a 2nd coil, plus I could use it's shift light function to operate the resonance flap in the inlet plenum. If you read the manual it also does lots more; http://www.canems.co.uk/pdf/Canems DRH Motronic ML1-X.pdf I especially like that it can diagnose which flywheel sensor is duff even when the car won't start! Clever.

Anybody else up for this? Basic RRP without any deal is £800 + VAT

Chris.

 

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Let me speak with Wayne on the 6th and let you know what he thinks\recomends 

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