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Specialist dealer sold my car but won't give me proceeds


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7 minutes ago, mean in green said:

You’re clearly extraordinarily patient. The trouble is that the dross who pull these stunts aren’t playing by the same rules that most of the rest of us do.

Start the debt recovery immediately - today - with the added interest charges and supplementary invoice cost. If not paid then straight to court.

 

Yes, do it now! Haven't you been fobbed off enough already?

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Outstanding Al. 

Lets hope they keep up the momentum and you have all your money by close of business tomorrow.

Maybe the garage will will also take some experience from this.

Onwards and upwards! 

Paul 

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Good news if this gets sorted tomorrow.  Real shame that what sounds like should be a respectable dealer has let you down and a lesson to us all if ever comes to selling.  As only the commission amount belongs to the dealer, if not passing on funds that the buyer has already paid for the car it's effectively theft?  Presumably the buyer has the V5 and all transferred into their name - has to be as who would buy a car without then having proper ownership?  Does put you at risk if their business folds in the meantime as others have said so glad seems to be getting resolved at last 👍

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2 hours ago, double0 said:

Good news if this gets sorted tomorrow.  Real shame that what sounds like should be a respectable dealer has let you down and a lesson to us all if ever comes to selling.  As only the commission amount belongs to the dealer, if not passing on funds that the buyer has already paid for the car it's effectively theft?  Presumably the buyer has the V5 and all transferred into their name - has to be as who would buy a car without then having proper ownership?  Does put you at risk if their business folds in the meantime as others have said so glad seems to be getting resolved at last 👍

Simply passing on a V5 does not constitute transfer of title, indeed registered keeper does not automatically mean owner.  Comes down to exactly what the contract with the broker (dealer) was and how transaction took place. I'd be looking to get balance owed paid in full straight away rather than in installments; accepting part payments might weaken clarity of situation IF you needed to pursue some legal recovery process.  Fingers crossed that all works out tomorrow!🤞

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Observation from me - interesting that nowadays, the first instinct is name and shame, solicitors letter etc.  Its the same in business, first instinct is email, message etc.  In my limited experience, you get more results by going old school face to face.  Its easy to do something via non-personal communication, but picking up the phone or face-to-face meetings are difficult, confrontational and unpleasant.  So I understand why but argue that these non-personal actions are ineffectual.  As easy as it is to fire off an email, its just as easy to ignore it on the other end. 

If it was me, I would down at the dealers, in their offices and making a quiet, but reasoned fuss until the money was electronically transferred into my account.  Even now, I would be down there waiting for the 75%.

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I don’t think it's unreasonable that the first instinct is to name and shame in instances like this.

It’s quite clear, to me, the guy has had the money from the sale and just decided to keep it.

It’s not his!!

It’s theft in my opinion.

People like this should be named to protect all of us law abiding people from being duped in the future.

Just my :twocents:

 

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Just now, Rustybum said:

I don’t think it's unreasonable that the first instinct is to name and shame in instances like this.

It’s quite clear, to me, the guy has had the money from the sale and just decided to keep it.

It’s not his!!

It’s theft in my opinion.

People like this should be named to protect all of us law abiding people from being duped in the future.

Just my :twocents:

 

+1

And I’m hopeful they will be if they don’t pay up as promised today. 

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1 hour ago, Richard Bernau said:

Observation from me - interesting that nowadays, the first instinct is name and shame, solicitors letter etc.  Its the same in business, first instinct is email, message etc.  In my limited experience, you get more results by going old school face to face.  Its easy to do something via non-personal communication, but picking up the phone or face-to-face meetings are difficult, confrontational and unpleasant.  So I understand why but argue that these non-personal actions are ineffectual.  As easy as it is to fire off an email, its just as easy to ignore it on the other end. 

If it was me, I would down at the dealers, in their offices and making a quiet, but reasoned fuss until the money was electronically transferred into my account.  Even now, I would be down there waiting for the 75%.

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Richard, I agree up to a point and did do this 2 weeks ago.  The guy simply said he didn't have the money.  It's not so easy to nip over from N.Ireland to see a dealer in England and I'm sure he's been factoring that into his decision making.

A.

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As long as you get the rest back, which ever methods needed are unimportant.

Incidentally, I live in the Scottish Borders. From here, for me to head into deepest darkest England, would be time awkward.

Good luck.

 

 

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All,

I have had a discussion with this dealer and have agreed to back off temporarily while he sorts his sh1t out at his end.  He promises the money today or tomorrow.

So I will be going quiet for a few days and I would ask you to do the same.

Some of you will think me a mug.  Maybe I am. 

I'll be back with a report asap.

Al.

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One goes legal after all reasonable steps including emails, phone calls, face to face,  etc. do not produce an equitable solution to all parties.

This dealer seems to be an a financial crisis, lack of funds to pay you would suggest he has used the funds from the sale of your to pay off other creditors, car owners, who knows.  

Hopefully all we come good in the end.

When I deal in a large £ transaction I will normally check companies house to see what the states of their accounts are (small companies account do not show much but there are a few pointers to look for ) and the history all the associated Directors.

 

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just be careful he is not delaying you into a bankrupcy. is the car still yours? id take my car back yesterday.

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Wasn't expecting any cash over a weekend.

The dealer has been on to reiterate his intention to pay asap.

You can be sure I'll keep the matter as high profile as it needs...

A.

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ah alright, when you said 1-2 days I didnt realise you meant businessdays. Well today is monday so hopefully by tomorrow then!

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I’d just be happy to get my money and walk away unscathed. Sounds a very dodgy way to do business by the dealer to me @Flat 6. You need to put a deadline on this mate or he’ll just keep stalling and drip feeding you a chunk at a time while he makes your money back on other sales. 

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In principle I still wouldn't rule out SOR as a way of selling but I think I'd insist on direct payments from the buyer, one to the dealer and one to the seller. Just be upfront about who's getting what in advance and agree the direct payments accordingly. Otherwise I can't see any other way of retaining control until the appropriate time. 

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Yes, I had thought of that.  I think, though, that the dealers don't actually want people to know whether the car is theirs or a SOR. It would be very clear to the buyer that the car was a SOR if they were paying two people.

I will probably persevere with SOR - it is mightIly difficult selling a car from N.Ireland despite the fact that it's as easy and costs the same to get to as somewhere distant within 'the mainland'. There seems to be something about catching a plane to look at a car that puts people off but having lived in England for 15 years and still working there regularly I know that a train from London to Mcr is more expensive than a flight from London to Belfast!

Whoever I use to do SOR in the future will be grilled to the n'th.

I remain confident that I will be paid pretty soon in this instance - the impact on the guys business of not closing this off very quickly is quite a motivator.

A.

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