Busybee Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just in case the track day bug bites (read as bitten), what are decent track day wheel and tyres you racing snakes use? R888’s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenC Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Think 888s are the best upgrade for a track day as a starting point - once up to temp they give you so much 'get out of jail' (to be clear - my track day altercation with a wall was due to a distinct lack of talent, not to tyre choice!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 😂 thanks. Need a set of track wheels then a set of track tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevvy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Trouble with the R888 now is they are only available in R88R format which has an awful tread pattern now with one side pointing forwards and the other backwards - aesthetically a dogs dinner but I just cant help thinking its also a bit odd from a grip perspective in the wet. I would actually suggest not getting R compound tyres at the start of your trackday career as you will learn much more about car control at slightly slower speeds with some standard road tyres, once they become the limit of your laptimes then swap to some R compounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP0ZZZ Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, jevvy said: Trouble with the R888 now is they are only available in R88R format which has an awful tread pattern now with one side pointing forwards and the other backwards - aesthetically a dogs dinner but I just cant help thinking its also a bit odd from a grip perspective in the wet. I would actually suggest not getting R compound tyres at the start of your trackday career as you will learn much more about car control at slightly slower speeds with some standard road tyres, once they become the limit of your laptimes then swap to some R compounds. I’m also bothered by the asymmetry of the R888Rs but apparently they are great in the dry... I have a new set ready to try on the track soon 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Yoko AD08R look good as a hybrid - seem to be universally praised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevvy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 You seen any of the driver61 vids? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAZL0MKQigFNSY0BTdt_GsDwxdHoeJ302 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, SP72 said: Yoko AD08R look good as a hybrid - seem to be universally praised. They do look cool Shirish. 20 minutes ago, jevvy said: You seen any of the driver61 vids? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAZL0MKQigFNSY0BTdt_GsDwxdHoeJ302 Nope. That’ll keep me quiet for a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bernau Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Sizes will be your limiting factor if you are looking for 16s. Looking at Camskill, if you want 245 rears then its V70As or Toyos only. Money no object, I would get a set of PZero Corsas and rap them round a set of custom offset Image 3 piece wheels in the style of your choice. They do a 3 piece Fuchs-a-like and a BBS-a-like. A bit cheaper would be a set of Braids. Unlike Jevvy, I would jump on the R bandwagon and go for it. They are just more fun and pretty much as forgiving, so long as its dry. If you could get something like a Michie Supersport in the size I would just go with that as they are nearly as good as Rs, but you can't. I get Jev's argument and he is right, but I would still get Rs. With your suspension set up - spring rate, damper valving, ARB size, camber and car weight - it comes alive on Rs on the track. From experience it works very well and I found 245/45 + 225/45 Toyos to be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestershire Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If going down the R tyre path my preference would be V70’s - hard rear with medium front. Would agree with Jevvy, start with a durable road tyre and learn how a 911 behaves on track at manageable speeds before you need to find out how to catch it when moving at 110%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 22 hours ago, SP72 said: Yoko AD08R look good as a hybrid - seem to be universally praised. Look like an updated version of the yoko is available http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1037917-who-using-toyo-r888-r888r-fuchs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longman Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I've always liked the Toyo R1R , great in the dry and wet , plus a decent road tyre if pushing on , Ive had 3 sets so far.. https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details/toyo-r1r-205-55-r16-91-v#249967389 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewaysfun Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Personal experience on track is with Federal 595RSR and r888. RSR were very progressive and slip nicely when you break traction, unlike the r888 which tend to have a touch more grip, but then completely let go. If you're looking purely for track you could go up a size in wheel to 17" then the world is your oyster. Plenty of other R compounds out there in 17". I agree with Richard, punt for the R compounds. When on road tyres I was constantly hitting the temp thresholds and getting all sorts of gripless understeer/oversteer, then pounding the brakes just to scrub speed - getting brake fade etc. Decent set of R compounds and track pads, job jobbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 Thanks chaps. Can 17’s fit on an ib? Love a set of gold centre bbs wheels 😍 with some seriously sticky rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevvy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Busybee said: Can 17’s fit on an ib? Yes. You fit lower profile tyres so the overall diameter stays the same (ish) as the 16's but as mentioned above the range of tyres increases. Otto Fuchs are nice and light but their offset seems to be more geared towards 964/993 stuff which would mean chunky spacers. https://www.fuchsfelge.com/en/wheel-program/detail/porsche-911-exklusiv-schmiederad-374.html Image do some nice forged stuff that you can spec the exact offset and barrel sizes https://www.imagewheels.co.uk/three-piece-billet-alloy-wheels/ Of course there is BBS to hunt down but they are mucho-deniro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevvy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Useful list of fuchs reps: https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/669569-lets-catalogue-all-fuchs-repros.html https://rennlist.com/forums/wheel-and-tire-forum/780707-let-s-catalogue-all-the-fuchs-repros.html Quote The Original: Otto Fuchs: Some original sizes still produced in batches (contact your dealer parts desk for info). I think these are the sizes still in production. I cannot say if these are constructed the same way as original equipment. Replicas: Braid: 15"-18" at various widths and offsets. Cast, unsure if center is welded to rolled lip. BRAID and Pelican Parts California Import Parts LTD.: 15" and 17". Note the different available bolt patterns. CIP Design911: 15". EB Motorsport: 15". EB Motorsport Euromeister: 16" and 17". Made in China. Read report of one breaking. Pelican Parts Fifteen52: 15"-18". 52 Outlaw Fikse: 17" and 18". 3-piece with hidden hardware. Originally designed by Zuffenhaus, now produced by Fikse. Fikse Wheels Flat 4: 15". Flat 4 Fuchs Performance: 19". Fuchs Performance Wheels. German Diamonds: 17" to 21" between two styles. Diamond R�der Group 4 Wheels: 15" ('67 R sizes). Group 4 Wheels Image Wheels: 15"-22." Image Wheels Iozzio Wheels: 17". Iozzio Wheels Jongbloed Racing for Accumoto: 15"-17". 3 piece. Accumoto Motorsport Kerscher: 17"-18". Kercher-Tuning. Lindsey Racing: 17"? Donor centers. Lindsey Racing Maxilite: 15" and 16". Maxilite OS-Design: 19". Wheel Dynamics. Otto Fuchs: 17"-19" high offset. Forged. According to H. Weidman via the Early S Registry, these are not 3D forged but milled from a forged cylinder. Otto Fuchs Rebel Racing Products: 17". Donor centers. Rebel Racing Products Rota: 17". Made in Phillipines. Also known as Linea Corse. Read report of one breaking IIRC. PelicanParts. Rotiform: 17"-22". Rotiform Wheels RS-Felgen: 15"-17", and 19"-20". RS-Felgen - FUX and RS-Felgen - FUX 19 Speedline for Porsche: 19". Cast. Available from your dealer parts desk or at Wheelenhancement SSP: 15" and 17". Note only some are T�V approved, unsure why. SSP Wheels. Starke Design: 16", 18" and 19". Cast. Tire Rack Tramont: 15"-20" between two styles. Possibly magnesium centers? Tramont Wheels TRE Motorsports: 15". 3-piece versions NLA? TRE Motorsports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Awesome @jevvy. Thanks. That’s a whole day looking at wheels 👍 If I go 17’s, the rubber will be serious thin. Already on 245/45/16 on the backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevvy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Busybee said: If I go 17’s, the rubber will be serious thin. Already on 245/45/16 on the backs. Not necessarily, you can use a tool like this to play with some wheel widths and tyre sizes. https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wheel1=245-45-16X9ET15&wheel2=255-40-17X9ET15&fcl=50mm&wcl=30mm&scl=50mm&sr=0mm Going to 255/40/17 increases overall diameter by 1.4% but you still have a 40 series sidewall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWT Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 49 minutes ago, jevvy said: Of course there is BBS to hunt down but they are mucho-deniro. Original RS period BBS, 7 & 9 x 16 with V70A track tyres, Mmmmmm... Gratuitous "in use" pic Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, jevvy said: Not necessarily, you can use a tool like this to play with some wheel widths and tyre sizes. https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wheel1=245-45-16X9ET15&wheel2=255-40-17X9ET15&fcl=50mm&wcl=30mm&scl=50mm&sr=0mm Going to 255/40/17 increases overall diameter by 1.4% but you still have a 40 series sidewall. Cheers Jev. 24 minutes ago, SilverWT said: Original RS period BBS, 7 & 9 x 16 with V70A track tyres, Mmmmmm... Gratuitous "in use" pic Mark Look fab. Look even better on my car! 😂😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Bit off on the perspective but I do like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Fuchs for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bernau Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 17s are better for tyre choice for sure. You get into something like the Nankangs (which are excellent) in 235/40 and 255/40 for much less money than 16 inch rubber. You can get a BBS-E88-alike from Image wheels, custom offset and gold centres for semi sensible money. Perkles always used to say that if you visited Image in the Midlands and offered cash, you could get a great deal... It costs EUR2200 just for 4 E88 aluminium centres for BBS now, so I hate to think what the wheels are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP0ZZZ Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Has anyone heard about Fuchs manufacturing new versions of their traditional 16" wheels? Apparently they would be 700/900 grams lighter than the originals. Not sure to what extent that's true... https://www.fuchsfelgeusa.com/16-inch-satin-black/#16inchblackoptions Edited August 22, 2019 by WP0ZZZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWT Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 9:56 AM, Busybee said: Look fab. Look even better on my car! 😂😜 There is a set o Ebay that might have the right offsets for a wide bodied IB... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183928712552?ul_noapp=true Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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