reddevil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 GT3 as a roadtrip car - mmm, depends on the roads. You need BIG roads or a track to get the thrills out of a GT3. It's forte is above 5500rpm and bear in mind in 2nd gear that is already 60mph and a chunk more in 3rd and 4th. You're doing 85mph in 2nd gear at the rev limiter, which is where you get that spine tingling GT3 magic. It's also ferocious in how it covers that last 3000rpm, bumpy or uneven tarmac can seriously upset it if you're at full chat, and that's not confidence inspiring if there is a big drop off to one side. I sure I'd prefer a smaller and softer IB on some, if not most, of those Alps passes. The splitter is annoying too. Constant worry that you're dragging it underneath the car on every trip I've been on - it's a consumable - in 5k miles I've repaired/repainted/refitted it 3 times. However, if there is a visit to any kind of track on your road trip take the GT3. Big deserted roads in west coast of Scotland, I'd also probably take GT3 though 😉 It is surprisingly good at cruising on the autoroute too. But its window of operation is smaller and more specialist than a hot rod oil-cooled 911, or a 987 Box for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverjamesthomas Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I’d agree with all of that and I have a GT3 in the garage. I recently returned from Spa Classic; passenger both ways in a Golf R estate. They are outstandingly good, especially considering we were four up with a boot full of heavy duty air guns, tools and luggage. All the car you will ever need, to be honest. Put it in silly mode and it is like the Enterprise going into warp speed. Great chassis and comfortable as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, reddevil said: You're doing 85mph in 2nd gear at the rev limiter, which is where you get that spine tingling GT3 magic. It's also ferocious in how it covers that last 3000rpm However, if there is a visit to any kind of track on your road trip take the GT3. Big deserted roads in west coast of Scotland, I'd also probably take GT3 though 😉 It is surprisingly good at cruising on the autoroute too. All this just sells the idea of a gt3 even more to me. I don’t think there ever would be a perfect compromise of a car to get you there and use whilst there. One will always be softer, more comfortable, easier on the slog. The other will be worse on the slog and a lot more fun when you get there? 5 minutes ago, oliverjamesthomas said: I’d agree with all of that and I have a GT3 in the garage. I recently returned from Spa Classic; passenger both ways in a Golf R estate. They are outstandingly good, especially considering we were four up with a boot full of heavy duty air guns, tools and luggage. All the car you will ever need, to be honest. Put it in silly mode and it is like the Enterprise going into warp speed. Great chassis and comfortable as well. Yup, but it’s a fast box. None of the drama of a porker? Could be a fast Audi, vw, jag.... Would the ideal road trip car need that X factor? Something to make you love the car not just the trip? Something you look back at over your shoulder walking to the hotel at the end of a day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Rock Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Busybee said: Would the ideal road trip car need that X factor? Yes, otherwise you might as well take the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dr Rock said: Yes, otherwise you might as well take the box Think we are all here because none of us want to drive a box for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Busybee said: I don’t think there ever would be a perfect compromise of a car to get you there and use whilst there. One will always be softer, more comfortable, easier on the slog. The other will be worse on the slog and a lot more fun when you get there? V8 Supercharged FFRR, Brian James box trailer and a GT3 Cup car when you get to the 'ring or Spa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Richard Bernau said: The stock they have is great, but they have a lot of inflexible rules about what they will sell. Hence the low ball trade offers. One reason anyway. I had my 996TT inspected for sale with them and they wanted to replace the perfectly good brake rotors with Porsche stamped ones, for example. I declined. Chicken wire grill. Look closely and Daisy has a cheap Halfords wire grill. Ooops. I am truly sorry. JZM - funny lot. Declined politely to buy a GT3 from them in the end after a shambles of a test drive. Nothing much wrong with the car (or the workshop) but was not a fan of their sales approach/candour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, reddevil said: JZM - funny lot. Declined politely to buy a GT3 from them in the end after a shambles of a test drive. Nothing much wrong with the car (or the workshop) but was not a fan of their sales approach/candour. Yup, experience with them not great so far I liked this https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-996/low-mileage-original-panel-impeccable-ecu-data-996-gt3-mk1-supplied-in-rhd-from-the-salt-free-roads-of-s-a-c26/9508521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sopor Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Richard Bernau said: I always have my suspicions raised when so-called experts like JZM write ridiculous tripe in the descriptions. Calling a 3.0 ITB hot rod motor a torque monster betrays a complete lack of understanding for fundamental engineering basics. Are they really the experts they like everyone to believe they are? Nice car though. Ironic, isn't it? The 3.2 is supposed to be torquey but a bit lazy to rev as compared to the 3.0 in the SC yet they describe it as a torque monster. Odd that as the car started life with a 3.2 it didn't end up with a 3.4 or 3.5. Using the wayback machine I found ads for that car from 2017 with 1000 miles less and it was listed for £140K. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestershire Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Let’s get some sort of scale on this. Standard 3 litre cars feel very torquey when compared to a 2 litre car. A 3.2 has little more torque but is nothing compared to a 3.6 etc. A well built 3.0 can feel like it has a plenty of torque but it will be in a different part of the rev range to a 3.6. Bhp will always cross the torque line at 5252 rpm. On competition engine torque will still increase after 5252 rpm. It won’t feel like it is blessed with torque pulling away from the traffic lights or parking at Tesco but on a track it would be easy to describe as a torque monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Left field (🤔 @longman) https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/190/mercedes-190e-2-3-16-1986/9569385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Comerford Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 hours ago, SP72 said: Left field (🤔 @longman) https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/190/mercedes-190e-2-3-16-1986/9569385 Lovely. I had one for seven years before I bought the 911. Very underrated, but beautifully made and well engineered with fine balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longman Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 hours ago, SP72 said: Left field (🤔 @longman) https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/190/mercedes-190e-2-3-16-1986/9569385 I still prefer it’s big brother https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1111507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ian Comerford said: Lovely. I had one for seven years before I bought the 911. Very underrated, but beautifully made and well engineered with fine balance. Nice - I didn’t know you had one. I had a 2.6 for a year or so - surprisingly accomplished compared to the e30 325i it replaced. And yes, very nicely made - I could definitely see where the baby s_class moniker came from 1 minute ago, longman said: I still prefer it’s big brother https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1111507 Very nice - I would have had one by now if they were RHD. E34 M5 for me in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Blimey - didn’t even this thing existed. What a thing: http://ddclassics.com/car-listing/de-tomaso-longchamp-gts-coupe-lhd/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnonut Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, SP72 said: Blimey - didn’t even this thing existed. What a thing: http://ddclassics.com/car-listing/de-tomaso-longchamp-gts-coupe-lhd/ I’ve been ogling that for a few weeks now 😍 Bit spendy though! They were sub £10k cars a few years back 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Comerford Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 4 hours ago, SP72 said: Blimey - didn’t even this thing existed. What a thing: http://ddclassics.com/car-listing/de-tomaso-longchamp-gts-coupe-lhd/ Always liked these, something of a hot rod about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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