Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Maybe of interest, Esso Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 ron seems to be ethanol free at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes, aside from the South West I believe (Devon, Cornwall ....) VPower is E5 What compression ratio is your engine? You may benefit from VPower instead of Esso SUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkJ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 anyone got one of those esso fuel cards through PCGB? I very rarely use Esso so didn't bother but wondered if worth going out my way to fill up with one of their loyalty cards ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, SP72 said: What compression ratio is your engine? You may benefit from VPower instead of Esso SUL I don't know exactly, but unless one his driving at 99% fully tilt all the time then is there that much difference between 97 vs 99 ron in everyday use in the real world. The PCGB Esso card can save you 2p per litre and Esso is the nearest petrol station to me so will give it a go. https://www.essocard.com/en-gb/porsche/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 True to a point, but personally I would ask Jaz to confirm if 99Ron is mandated. Your ECU setup may dictate 99Ron to avoid detonation, based on the map. As you’ve said yourself, you spent £££ on the build, don’t risk it to save a few p/litre. Use some Millers VSPe to combat the ethanol in VPower and add a mild octane boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'll ask both Steve and Specialist Components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnonut Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I have a Shell Go+ virtual card as a mobile app on my phone. Plenty of incentives that equate to more than 2p a litre over time. I though E5 was acceptable and it was more the E10 and E15 stuff on the continent that was the issue? shell is my local statIon so it suits me well. That and Tesco 99 which is also E5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Beaky said: I'll ask both Steve and Specialist Components. Confirmed the higher the better for ultimate performance, but 97 is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, Wingnonut said: I have a Shell Go+ virtual card as a mobile app on my phone. Plenty of incentives that equate to more than 2p a litre over time. I though E5 was acceptable and it was more the E10 and E15 stuff on the continent that was the issue? shell is my local statIon so it suits me well. That and Tesco 99 which is also E5. Shell for me too - I think E5 is OK but unsure how long I’ve been using it (Shell in my area have only recently starting marking their pumps accordingly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamTompkins Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 BP Ultimate No Ethanol 98 Ron , my local station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 I have Shell + (my son works for the creative agency that designed and handles their marketing including this reward program) , BP and now ESSO rewards - that should cover my fleet of cars 👍 Copied from PCGB Forum: Owning an '88 911 and being aware of the potential damage bioethanol can do to the fuel system of early Porsches, the offer of the PCGB Esso card spurred me into getting a definitive answer from the big three fuel companies (Shell, Esso and BP) regarding the bioethanol content in their fuels and I thought I'd share the answers received from each company. Interestingly, when I asked the question during my telephone 'interview' prior to signing up for a card, the Esso agent admitted that she'd never had that question before, with people only really being interested in octane rating - which, as we all know, is displayed clearly at the fuel pump whereas information about the ethanol content is nowhere to be seen... Until now, I have been an advocate of Shell V-Power but given the response from each company reproduced below, given the absence of bioethanol in their fuel, the 911 will be run on a diet of Esso Synergy+ from now on - and given the discount, I see no reason not to use it in my Boxster as well. Happy days! Shell:- All Shell unleaded fuels contain up to 5% ethanol as allowed under the European fuel specification EN228 and UK government legislation (which requires for blending biofuels). Virtually all outlets sell unleaded fuels with ethanol. Most vehicles manufactured after 1991 are suitable for petrol with 5% ethanol. For vehicles older than this or for those that have any specific design features or modifications, we strongly recommend that customers consult their vehicle manufacturer to determine whether their vehicle is compatible with ethanol-containing fuels before filling up. Hope this helps. BP:- Thank you for your enquiry. We do appreciate the classic car community has some concerns around the presence of ethanol in petrol. Fuel suppliers have been required to increase the quantity of biofuels in their transport fuels since 2008 to comply with the government’s Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation; as a result bioethanol has been added to petrol products in the UK since that time. Today, bioethanol is present in nearly all regular unleaded 95 octane petrols being sold by fuel suppliers in the UK and can also be present in the UK’s higher octane petrols. The inclusion of bioethanol in our supply chain is subject to regulatory and commercial influences and regrettably we cannot give you categorical assurances as to its absence or presence in BP petrol products at specific locations. But we can confirm that currently BP regular unleaded and BP Ultimate unleaded do not contain more than 5% bioethanol. Kind regards UK communications team Esso:- Hey Chris, There is currently no requirement for renewable fuel (such as ethanol) to be present in super unleaded (97 grade petrol). Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkJ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 cool, will order my Esso fuel card then have always been a Shell V-Power fan and used their loyalty card discount scheme, which has always paid out quite nicely, but not tried it since they moved to the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Rock Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Beaky said: Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland). Why the exception areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, Dr Rock said: Why the exception areas? No idea, perhaps gene pool looking at the locations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Rock Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Beaky said: No idea, perhaps gene pool looking at the locations! I was thinking tourist/holiday places, but Teeside deffo ain’t one of those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 My eyes light up when I see a shell station selling V power! High octane fuels are pretty rare in Mid Wales. I drive 20 miles for tesco extra crispy 99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP72 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I carry a bottle of Lucas Octane Booster, just in case. Turns a tank of 95 into 98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnonut Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Busybee said: My eyes light up when I see a shell station selling V power! High octane fuels are pretty rare in Mid Wales. I drive 20 miles for tesco extra crispy 99 I noticed everything was Texaco and they promoted it as locally refined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Wingnonut said: I noticed everything was Texaco and they promoted it as locally refined! Petrol-o cymru innit 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, SP72 said: I carry a bottle of Lucas Octane Booster, just in case. Turns a tank of 95 into 98 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmakanix Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I believe they mark the 'quality' fuels as E5 because they may use the same tankers for lower grades of fuel. This means they cannot guarantee their high octane fuel, which may not have ethanol in its production, does not have any Ethanol in it once it is in your tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew911sc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 So this is the best option in Manchester... Will try drain my tanks.. soon... as cars have sat two years.. saw a tube video not long ago on the effects on aluminium... friend just told me 105 aviation fuel mixed one to one ups the punch not that I need to do that .. he also said small cap,off two stroke oil in the tank once in a blue moon helps oils all the parts any thoughts on that... Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamTompkins Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 This debate will continue longer than Brexit but I think that it depends really as to what is locally available and stick with it.In my case it’s BP Ultra. The question of adding Aviation fuel came up in club racing over the past few years and has been outlawed, although I suspect it still goes on and at our level I have never come across a fuel sample being taken.Adding 2 stroke oil is fairly common practice in the classic car world, and although I’ve never done it, I can see why the theory would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondrian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 4:56 PM, Dr Rock said: Why the exception areas? There are no refineries near southwest so it might be cheaper to import by ship than road transport from thames estuary or up north which would explain a slightly different blend of petrol. I'd imagine (guessing) the downstream supply chain is rather complex as seemingly none of the brands mentioned have their own refinery in UK and I doubt any of the forecourt brands would want to tie themselves to one refinery (or vice versa) - and no two refineries are the same. Add cost of transport, imported fuel etc in to the mix and you end up with a slightly different blend of fuel in each corner of UK supplied by different refineries for the same forecourt brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flappa2 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 There are no refineries near southwest so it might be cheaper to import by ship than road transport from thames estuary or up north which would explain a slightly different blend of petrol. I'd imagine (guessing) the downstream supply chain is rather complex as seemingly none of the brands mentioned have their own refinery in UK and I doubt any of the forecourt brands would want to tie themselves to one refinery (or vice versa) - and no two refineries are the same. Add cost of transport, imported fuel etc in to the mix and you end up with a slightly different blend of fuel in each corner of UK supplied by different refineries for the same forecourt brand.Greenergy manage a large tank farm in Plymouth which serves the South West. The fuel is delivered by sea, stored and collected by fuel tanker. I saw many of the high street brands collecting. Sent from my SM-A310F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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