SurlySurdi Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) My 911? Just.....NO Hopefully this will be something my daughter will have to worry about when she gets the car, hopefully I'll still be able to run an ICE 911 as long as I'm physically able to drive one. Edited January 28, 2021 by SurlySurdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 This is a bit of very clever design work 😎 FWD, RWD, AWD, whatever layout you want, reminds me of a Tamiya RC car, pop on a different bodyshell and have some fun All the company needs to do now is to start manufacturing carbonfibre Mk1/Mk2 Escort, Porsche 911/356 BMW 2002, Alfa 2000 GTV, Datsun 240Z etc bodyshells https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-ev/rally-prep-announces-lightweight-ev-platform/43681 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkJ Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I would rather stick forks in my eyes than convert my 911 to an EV. Its like taking the beating heart and soul out of the car End of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 9 hours ago, World Citizen said: This is a bit of very clever design work 😎 FWD, RWD, AWD, whatever layout you want, reminds me of a Tamiya RC car, pop on a different bodyshell and have some fun All the company needs to do now is to start manufacturing carbonfibre Mk1/Mk2 Escort, Porsche 911/356 BMW 2002, Alfa 2000 GTV, Datsun 240Z etc bodyshells https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-ev/rally-prep-announces-lightweight-ev-platform/43681 Completely agree. This is clearly the way forward. You can have any style of car you want on a modern purpose built chassis. The electrification of existing classics is utterly ridiculous. Poor range, long charging times, loss of soul and character and preposterously expensive. You still can't go for a jaunt across Europe (or the US for that matter) though. I still can't understand why Hydrogen is not be pushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 28 minutes ago, MarkJ said: I would rather stick forks in my eyes than convert my 911 to an EV. Its like taking the beating heart and soul out of the car End of. Completely agree. Don't see the point in converting genuine classics. But..... in a few years, would you be tempted by a Cayman that can do this or better Mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sladey Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I think at the moment the key thing for me is that they are so much heavier. They are generally really powerful but the novelty of doing a quick squirt to 60 wears off after a while. If the batteries and motors can be developed so they give equivalent (or better) power per kilogram as an Internal Combustion Engine (just for you Teaboy) then you've potentially got something that handles really well - at that point the lack of engine noise is less of an issue to me. Currently though sticking a few hundred Kilos of weight into a car and making up for that with more power leaves me cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterK Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Wait for hydrogen cells powering the electric motors. That will be lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, PeterK said: Wait for hydrogen cells powering the electric motors. That will be lighter. But as I said above, why isn't this being pushed over batteries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 7 hours ago, sladey said: I think at the moment the key thing for me is that they are so much heavier. They are generally really powerful but the novelty of doing a quick squirt to 60 wears off after a while. If the batteries and motors can be developed so they give equivalent (or better) power per kilogram as an Internal Combustion Engine (just for you Teaboy) then you've potentially got something that handles really well - at that point the lack of engine noise is less of an issue to me. Currently though sticking a few hundred Kilos of weight into a car and making up for that with more power leaves me cold Agree 100% Been reliably informed a new still to be launched German SUV hybrid weight is worryingly close to 3500 kgs 😲 The manufacturer is concerned as in Germany you need a truck license to drive anything above 3500 kgs 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Comerford Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 22 hours ago, MarkJ said: I would rather stick forks in my eyes than convert my 911 to an EV. Its like taking the beating heart and soul out of the car End of. I’m completely with you on this Mark, it is the beating heart and character of the car. However, there are classics where that is not the case, or is but to a lesser extent. So there could be a case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 29/01/2021 at 16:38, sladey said: I think at the moment the key thing for me is that they are so much heavier. They are generally really powerful but the novelty of doing a quick squirt to 60 wears off after a while. If the batteries and motors can be developed so they give equivalent (or better) power per kilogram as an Internal Combustion Engine (just for you Teaboy) then you've potentially got something that handles really well - at that point the lack of engine noise is less of an issue to me. Currently though sticking a few hundred Kilos of weight into a car and making up for that with more power leaves me cold With the 914, I’m at 1200kg and 50/50 weight distribution with 300HP and 150 - 180 mile range. That’s lighter than a 3.2 with a passenger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 29/01/2021 at 20:15, Phill said: But as I said above, why isn't this being pushed over batteries? Image problem !? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sladey Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 30/01/2021 at 17:15, Jonny Hart said: With the 914, I’m at 1200kg and 50/50 weight distribution with 300HP and 150 - 180 mile range. That’s lighter than a 3.2 with a passenger. That sounds good Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 30/01/2021 at 23:51, GaryH said: Image problem !? 🤔 Interesting but I don’t think that’s it. We’re all driving round with tanks of seriously flammable stuff in our cars already (ask Doc Rock) and leccy cars make a fine bbq if they go wrong (ask Richard Hammond) Edited February 2, 2021 by Busybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Busybee said: ...and leccy cars make a fine bbq if they go wrong (ask Richard Hammond) Another reason not to buy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcarrera Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 Its making space for land fill................................lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hart Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, topcarrera said: Except that is a photo of a copper mine in Chile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Someone knows their mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hart Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, Busybee said: Someone knows their mines No, I just have a acute radar for BS and can Google. https://www.mining-journal.com/copper-news/news/1390800/chile-copper-sector-faces-strike-possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busybee Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I’d imagine the rare mineral mines for car batteries in wherever are not much better. In fact we can all google albeit not at a professional level 😂 https://electrek.co/2020/06/16/tesla-secures-cobalt-deal-controversial-material/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcarrera Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Jonny Hart said: Except that is a photo of a copper mine in Chile. Ah the perils of using "interweb" - thanks for the correction! On the subject of copper then its consumption by the automotive sector would probably quadruple if we all switched to EVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hart Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Not just EV’s. Batteries are everywhere. Copper is everywhere. Cobalt is everywhere. Earth’s resources are finite, whatever you dig up. There is only so much oil in the ground as with everything else. At least batteries can store and release energy over a long period of time, unlike oil which is just burnt. Can be recycled too. https://americanmanganeseinc.com/?gclid=CjwKCAiAjeSABhAPEiwAqfxURaFFEChfLblQD9_dgBqVP_DuZlC8ExbQ1IkqHmMlGD7VqteUQt9seRoCbFcQAvD_BwE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 30/01/2021 at 17:15, Jonny Hart said: With the 914, I’m at 1200kg and 50/50 weight distribution with 300HP and 150 - 180 mile range. I want one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 So you're not allowed to use a mobile phone on a petrol station forecourt but you can plug in an electric car charger !? 🤔 Make oil firms install electric car chargers in petrol stations, says thinktank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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