VW cuts EV production: EV debate thread

[Beaky]

2 hours ago, World Citizen said:

EV's are the consequences of when 100,000's of years ago some idiot gave a monkey a stick and a piece of flint to play with 😠

Sorry, I promise not to do it again........................................

[Anta]

This is pretty bad. I may be cynical but even if proven true doubt this will this have 1% of the coverage VW Dieselgate got.  How does this guy fly so close to the sun!
 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

 

[Phill]

Interesting but not surprising. However, petrol cars do pretty much exactly the same thing. In almost any car I’ve owned you seem to get a lot more miles from the first quarter of a tank than the last and the first half compared to the last half. Also, there is a reserve, when you hit the red there is some left, probably a good 10 litres. That said, I suppose, no one normally drives all the way to the red do they? 
And also, some fuel gauges have a smaller top quarter/half and a larger bottom quarter/half. Again, I think this is to persuade you that when the car is full you are going to get more miles to the tank than you will.
And, and also, certainly in our Fiat 500, when it’s filled up the computer range seems to show what you might get if you drive at 56mph non stop for the whole tank, not what you are likely to get on a combined/urban tankful.

[Jonny Hart]

We have a Chinese EV van for work which is ALWAYS exactly right when it comes to range.  Doesn't matter how you drive it either but if you put the heating/off on it adjusts the range prediction immediately.  Its range is typically 151 miles.  I drove it from Cheltenham to home once, guess what, thats 150 miles - got home with 1 mile left!

[Northy]

….. and this is why we love our smelly, large capacity air cooled & inefficient petrol motors, where we don’t care about miles per gallon and just want to pin it wide open as much as possible…. 

[Beaky]

1 hour ago, Northy said:

….. and this is why we love our smelly, large capacity air cooled & inefficient petrol motors, where we don’t care about miles per gallon and just want to pin it wide open as much as possible…. 

Exactly........................

[Lesworth]

1 hour ago, Northy said:

….. and this is why we love our smelly, large capacity air cooled & inefficient petrol motors, where we don’t care about miles per gallon and just want to pin it wide open as much as possible…. 

I hope to be too old to drive by the time I can't enjoy it any more.

[Lesworth]

I drove a Taycan in the US last year and had an opportunity to give it full beans up to 3 figure speeds (closed circuit, professional driver ). Amazing piece of technology and nice and posh inside but it was utterly soulless in my opinion and I was soon bored with it.

 

[GaryH]

1 hour ago, Lesworth said:

...had an opportunity to give it full beans up to 3 figure speeds (closed circuit, professional driver )

So who was driving Les ? 🤔

Edited July 28, 2023 by GaryH

[Lesworth]

My avatar

 

[Beaky]

2 hours ago, Lesworth said:

I drove a Taycan in the US last year and had an opportunity to give it full beans up to 3 figure speeds (closed circuit, professional driver ). Amazing piece of technology and nice and posh inside but it was utterly soulless in my opinion and I was soon bored with it.

 

Look how many Taycan's are for sale on Autotrader, and all probably taken a fair depreciation hit as well

[njpcarrera32]

On 27/07/2023 at 17:13, Phill said:

Interesting but not surprising. However, petrol cars do pretty much exactly the same thing. In almost any car I’ve owned you seem to get a lot more miles from the first quarter of a tank than the last and the first half compared to the last half. Also, there is a reserve, when you hit the red there is some left, probably a good 10 litres. That said, I suppose, no one normally drives all the way to the red do they? 
And also, some fuel gauges have a smaller top quarter/half and a larger bottom quarter/half. Again, I think this is to persuade you that when the car is full you are going to get more miles to the tank than you will.
And, and also, certainly in our Fiat 500, when it’s filled up the computer range seems to show what you might get if you drive at 56mph non stop for the whole tank, not what you are likely to get on a combined/urban tankful.

I mostly fill up my daily once I’m well into the red. I have been known to go all the way through the red before filling up. I have only once actually run out of fuel. 
 

The range predicted is usually around 770 miles when first filled up, and effectively increases as I go through the tank until I get close to the red, when it rapidly drops. I rarely get less than 850 miles from a full tank though.

 The Other Nige 

[World Citizen]

Experienced range anxiety yesterday without doing our frequent fuel stops 😉

Squeezed 925 miles out of a tank full in my truck driving across Europe

It was my bladder that was getting anxious 😬

[Phill]

1 hour ago, World Citizen said:

Experienced range anxiety yesterday without doing our frequent fuel stops 😉

Squeezed 925 miles out of a tank full in my truck driving across Europe

It was my bladder that was getting anxious 😬

Is that the FJ? What does that equate to in MPG?

[World Citizen]

29 minutes ago, Phill said:

Is that the FJ? What does that equate to in MPG?

Yes, just over 26ish mpg

Cruising speed around 75-80 mph

FJ is proving to be a great long distance driver, hoping to enjoy many more miles all over the world in it

[Phill]

10 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

Yes, just over 26ish mpg

Cruising speed around 75-80 mph

FJ is proving to be a great long distance driver, hoping to enjoy many more miles all over the world in it

Excellent, I’m sure you will 👍

[World Citizen]

Spotted this poster outside a motorway services in Belgium 🤔

interesting comparison but wonder what the order would look like if it was £/kg of CO2

Think LPG would win by a huge margin when factoring in the low cost of converting a perfectly good ICE car instead of buying a new EV car

Hadn't stopped for fuel as I'd spent a whole day hypermiling across Europe in my 2 ton, 4WD, 4ltr petrol economobile 😁

 

 

[World Citizen]

Jr WC has just reminded me I already own a LPG converted ICE truck 

I'm greener than all yowz stinky gas heads 😅

 

[GaryH]

That resolve didn't last long !

"...expected five-year delay on the ban, to 2035..."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/20/car-firms-condemn-sunak-plan-delay-petrol-diesel-vehicle-ban

Edited September 20, 2023 by GaryH

[njpcarrera32]

4 hours ago, GaryH said:

That resolve didn't last long !

"...expected five-year delay on the ban, to 2035..."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/20/car-firms-condemn-sunak-plan-delay-petrol-diesel-vehicle-ban

Just brings the UK into line with the EU on this, makes sense regardless of the screaming headlines. Hopefully we will also come into alignment on synthetic fuels as well, once our civil servants and politicians realise that there is such a thing…😂

The other Nige 

[70sThrowback]

completely agree, we are aligned to the EU but if you watched the news or read the headlines you'd think we aligned to China. A much more sensible approach, gives more time to get the right infrastructure in place and as the other nige says, maybe a chance to properly explore synthetic fuels

[Roy M]

Looks like the electric car sales are really difficult - Taycan's on offer with drivethedeal. https://www.drivethedeal.com/SpecialOffers.aspx

[fat fuchs]

https://electrek.co/2023/09/11/porsche-and-audi-evs-recalled-over-battery-sealing/

The link below contains a grim report, just so you're aware before clicking...

https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/09/19/porsche-taycan-ev-catches-fire-in-china-driver-burned-to-death/

[SurlySurdi]

Jeez that is tragic, really sad. Questions will need to be answered, that is scary and concerning.

SS

[GaryH]

My brother is involved in professional motocross (engine tuner) and he was saying there was a fire which destroyed the entire MotoE electric bike fleet. Apparently there was then a blanket ban on the bikes being allowed to travel by ferry.

Edited September 29, 2023 by GaryH