£425K?

[sopor]

It looks lovely but £425K?!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225850080516

 

[Ian Comerford]

Seems a lot for what it is.  Only 248bhp, which is tiny compared to what the competition achieves and why does it sayRolex on the Rev counter?

[Lesworth]

34 minutes ago, Ian Comerford said:

 why does it sayRolex on the Rev counter?

Gotta justify 425k somehow....

[benqv]

Can't help but think people will look back on the absurd prices paid for these sort of frequently taste-less things with incredulity.

[SurlySurdi]

Where is that shifter from?

SS

[SurlySurdi]

Found it:

https://cae-racing.de/CAE-Ultra-Shifter_204

1600 euros,  damn!!

SS

[Beaky]

I could be wrong (I'm sure a few Indies told me this) but plates LSD's are better than Torque LSD's for an IB particularly for deceleration dynamics - over to the experts 🤔

Edited November 3, 2023 by Beaky

[sopor]

Slight side track... interesting (puzzling?) to see how many companies are getting into the F/G body 911 shifter market. I think Wevo and J West were the early ones but now there's Rennline, CAE and Numeric as well. Not convinced Wevo or J West have left much room for improvement, expect perhaps for their marketing.

I wonder what Rolex themselves might make of that tach...

Edited November 2, 2023 by sopor

[Beaky]

2 hours ago, Ian Comerford said:

Seems a lot for what it is.  Only 248bhp, which is tiny compared to what the competition achieves and why does it sayRolex on the Rev counter?

It say over 300 bhp in the full description, so must be a typo in the items specifics 

[RivieraBob]

1 hour ago, Beaky said:

I could be wrong (I'm sure in Indies told me this) but plates LSD's are better than Torque LSD's for an IB particularly for deceleration dynamics - over to the experts 🤔

Hope you're right as I had a Kaaz fitted with a 915 refresh

[TargaWayne]

425k 

And the custom sound deadening is coming away. Lovely glue.

 

 

[SurlySurdi]

1 hour ago, TargaWayne said:

425k 

And the custom sound deadening is coming away. Lovely glue.

 

 

Quality.........of the lowest kind!

[Beaky]

14 hours ago, RivieraBob said:

Hope you're right as I had a Kaaz fitted with a 915 refresh

Same 👍

[Leicestershire]

15 hours ago, Beaky said:

I could be wrong (I'm sure a few Indies told me this) but plates LSD's are better than Torque LSD's for an IB particularly for deceleration dynamics - over to the experts 🤔

ATB type differentials provide forward drive if both wheels have contact with firm ground. Good for traction away from standing start and still allow for a bit of showboating on roundabouts and hairpin bends. However they don't provide any 'limited slip' function on a closed throttle. They are more refined and in normal use its difficult to detect that an ATB type unit is fitted. If you bounce off a kerb or a wheel parts company with the road it behaves like an open diff.

The pro ATB type followers will argue that the plate type LSD's will increase the amount of understeer and the plate chatter / chunter is not a great sound for a 911. ATB's are generally more reliable with fewer parts requiring service or set up.

Plate type LSD's are set with 2 ramp angles - positive throttle & closed throttle. Generally a 911 is set with increased 'LSD function' on a closed throttle with the argument that a rear engine car isn't short of traction and restricting the differential on a closed throttle keeps things pointing in the in right direction on a closed throttle.  On a damp track when you run out of tallent you can feel a plate diff pulling the rear of the car back in-line. 

To make good progress they do require a change to regular driving habits. 

Despite the reputation that all 911's go backwards through hedges as soon as it rains my personal experience is very different with a well set up plate type differential IB's are very benign.

If you have a track focussed LSD they can snatch a bit on the road causing the drive shafts to click.

As the gearbox and diff share the same oil the use of LSD additives is not recommended.  

 

  

 

[SilverWT]

1 hour ago, Leicestershire said:

 However they don't provide any 'limited slip' function on a closed throttle.

True, unless they are a hybrid I.e.  Wavetrac.

Behave like an ATB most of the time, but also meshing wave shaped gears that come into play when one axle approaches zero load.

I have had one in my 3.2 for some years now. It can be felt locking on hard braking and deceleration on track. The one drawback is it is not very progressive, going quickly to locked when accelerating vigorously in the wet. You just have to be  aware and react quickly!

www.wavetrac.net/technical.htm

Mark

[Beaky]

 

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-911-str-ii

Equally over priced?

 

[Wingnonut]

Yeah but it’s Magnus 🤣

Saw the Rennsport one on a traders stand at the NEC at the weekend. Fit and finish was not £400k worth 🥴

[Beaky]

2 hours ago, Wingnonut said:

Saw the Rennsport one on a traders stand at the NEC at the weekend. Fit and finish was not £400k worth 🥴

One of the RPOC members owns a really nice Rennsport, even he says they are not a £400k car, but he did say the support from them when needed has been excellent.

Prices of the Singer, Theon, etc. are just bonkers, but it seems people are still willing to pay!

The bad side effect is that finding a good 964 is becoming increasingly difficult

[hmg]

This Theon would have cost a lot more than the £175k it recently resold for when the donor car is taken into the equation. 
 

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-911-theon-design

The Singers seem to be the only of the Restomods that seem to have appreciated post build….I would wager a lot of that is due to a quality product coupled with a very effective brand positioning. 
 

 

 

 

[andybro]

On 14/11/2023 at 16:36, Beaky said:

 

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-911-str-ii

Equally over priced?

 

I drove it last week. Its a wonderful build, but the big money is all about who built it. 

[axel]

1988 Porsche 930 RSR-Style Backdate G50 3.25L | PCARMARKET

 

if we are talking hot rods... Mine is up for sale ! The Porsche Experience instructor who tried it on track loved it - its pretty fast! 

[World Citizen]

Axel you build and sell as frequently as I buy new underpants

Your cars are always stunning, really well finished so I'm interested to know do you enjoy the building more than driving or build to flip for a profit?

[axel]

I have only sold my 912 , which was break even maybe even a slight loss. this car will probably be sold with a loss too, i build em right , not to flip. 

you are right, I enjoy building em. but not as opposed to driving, I have a 930 in my garage I ride hard and put away wet 😜 

[Jonny Hart]

On 14/11/2023 at 21:07, hmg said:

This Theon would have cost a lot more than the £175k it recently resold for when the donor car is taken into the equation. 
 

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-911-theon-design

The Singers seem to be the only of the Restomods that seem to have appreciated post build….I would wager a lot of that is due to a quality product coupled with a very effective brand positioning. 
 

 

 

 

Not in this case - the Theon in the ad is the very first one (I know the owner).  At the time they were positioned around about £150k for a finished car.  Nowadays their builds are higher spec and price point. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Jonny Hart

[axel]

the current theons are more like 400 arent they? 

beautiful car all the same and a snip at that price. I see it has AT Power ITBs, shaftless. same as I got in my 2.8 RSR tribute