Jump to content
Impact Bumpers
hot66

How To - Bilstein Suspension Upgrade / Boge struts

Recommended Posts

I just posted this on DDK, but thought it might useful for IB records too :) :

 

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...&highlight=

 

 

I am slowly working my way through the suspension on my 1973 2.4S. So far I have replaced the front & rear torsion bushes with Elephant Racing Polybronzes ( www.elephantracing.com ) and replaced all my sway bar bushes with polybushes from Nick Moss (early911.com). The Elephant racing bushes really made a difference & tightened things up, especially at the rear. Following this I had a 4 wheel alignment done by a Porsche specialist in Leeds.

 

Since then the car has handled OK, but I’ve still not been 100% happy, the front end has felt far too hard ( wheels left the ground at speed on bumpy roads) & the rear a bit soft. I decided to check the corner weights using the ‘triangulation method’ and discovered the car was WAY OFF !! . This prompted me to look at the suspension again.

 

First thing was to discover what front struts I had fitted to the car … this took a bit of time and was detailed on this thread:

 

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17717

 

As my car is pretty much stock, I didn’t really want to go ahead with major suspension upgrades so decided just to tackle the shocks (depending on the outcome I might upgrade the rear torsion bars to 26mm). On advice from rally specialists, Francis Tuthills, I ordered Bilstein ‘HD’ front inserts ( 150/110) for BOGE struts which are meant to be really well suited to a road going early 911 with stock 19mm torsion bars, At the rear I opted to stick with my original 23mm torsion bars but chose Bilstein Sprint ( 310/155 ) yellow shocks. I was advised these are a really nice shock for road use & suited to both 23mm & 26mm torsion bars.

 

Over the Xmas period I managed to get away & spend a bit of time in the garage replacing the front strut inserts and the rear shocks, so I thought I might as well try & document what I did for future DDK reference. There are lots of similar threads on Pelican etc to cross reference with , and I believe our own Sladey did a similar thread when he replaced his.

 

Anyway ….

 

Rear Shocks:

 

Might as well start with the easiest end of the car. Removing the old rear shocks is pretty straight forward, so straight forward I forgot to take any photos.

 

First remove the air box in the engine bay to give access to the top shock mounts. With the car still on the ground I loosened off the top nuts of the old shocks. My old shocks had flats on the thread which I used an adjustable wrench to hold & prevent the shock from turning, then using a ring spanner loosened the nut off.

 

Next I jacked up the car, put it on axle stands & removed the rear wheels so I could see what I was doing. Using a ring spanner & a socket I loosened off the lower shock bolt / nut.

 

I then placed the trolley jack under the rear wheel bearing housing ( the trailing arm of the rear suspension) and slowly ‘lifted’ the rear suspension & thus compressing the rear shock. With it compressed an amount, I removed the top mounting nut from the old shock.

 

Now when lowering the trailing arm down again the shock will drop through from the upper housing so make sure you are holding on to it, then remove the lower mounting bolt.

 

Replacment of the new shock is pretty much the reversal of above , except the new Bilstein used an allen key to prevent it spinning whilst tightening up the upper mount.

 

Front Struts:

 

As with all the other threads you read on this, the front end is a bit more involved. I decided to try & do this job without removing the front struts or disconnecting the brake lines.

 

With the car jacked up & on an axle stand ( I place a single axle stand in the centre of the front ‘tank support’ ), I remove both wheels & place them on the floor under the car.

 

Tackling the nearside first, I place the trolley jack under the ball joint on the A-arm and slowly lift the suspension up thus taking the ‘weight’ off the upper strut mounting nut. Using a socket & breaker bar I remove the top nut and washers.

 

I lift the suspension a bit more to compress the strut further , then lower it down. At this point you need to make sure you are holding the strut with one hand because it should now drop away from its top mounting and if not held it will swing out & stretch the brake hoses !!

 

At this point I use some wire to tie the strut in an upright position ( picture below is showing a dismantled strut, but you can see my retaining wire)

 

DSC00196.jpg

 

Now, to enable the insert to be removed later, I put the steering on full left lock ( full right lock when doing the offside) this gives a bit more movement of the strut without stretching the brake hose.

 

Next job is to remove the top part of the strut, the ‘dust cover’. I undo my support wire, angle the strut out to wards the wheel arch lip & slide off the cover. I then tied the strut back in the upright position and slid a carrier bag over the brake disc to protect it from any oil that might be within the strut.

 

struttop2.jpg

 

You should now be looking at the top of the strut body with a retaining nut holding in the strut internals ( see above). This retaining nut is pretty tight & looks like it needs a specialist tool to remove. I used a hammer & punch to give it a couple of ‘shocks’ & then used a pipe wrench to unscrew it.

 

DSC00227.jpg

 

 

Once this retaining nut is removed, I again undid my wire and angled the strut to enable me to remove the internals from the strut. I had to give them a blow with my rubber hammer & then the assemble just pulled out NOTE: ORIGINAL BOGE STRUTS ARE FULL OF OIL ….. TRY NOT TO SPILL ANY ON YOUR BRAKES1.

 

DSC00229.jpg

 

 

Here are what the internals of an original Boge strut looks like:

 

DSC00197.jpg

 

Mine appeared to be full of stone or remnants of a damaged spacer?

 

DSC00198.jpg

 

With the internals removed I tied the strut upright again.

 

At this point the strut is still full of oil. If this oil is not removed as soon as the new insert is slid into the strut this oil will erupt out of the top of your strut all over the brakes etc ….

 

I found a nice solution by using a syringe and pipe ( normally used by Vets on sheep !! ) to suck out the oil.

 

DSC00217.jpg

 

Interestingly my struts had different oils in each of them !!

 

nearside:

 

DSC00219.jpg

 

offside:

 

DSC00230.jpg

 

With the oil removed from the struts I again angled them to a position where I could slide the new Bilstein inserts into them. This is not quite as easy as it sounds as in my case the inserts just managed to clear the wheel arch lip. Once the insert is in, the new retaining nut can be fitted.

 

Just a note here, there seems to be mixed opinion on wether the strut should be filled with oil again with the Bilstein insert. It seems Bilstein don’t recommend this so I have opted not to add oil.

 

As I didn’t have the specialist tool to enable me to tighten up the new retaining nut, I took the advice of Sladey & used a pipe wrench to tighten it up. A couple of bangs with the hammer on the pipe wrench handle & I’m happy these are tight ☺

 

DSC00220.jpg

 

Next it is simply a matter of fitting the new dust cover, which in my case meant I had to compress the insert to enable me to slip it over, & then fit the insert into the strut tower / upper mount on the car.

 

DSC00226.jpg

 

Using the trolley jack I again lift the suspension up to allow all the thread on the top of the insert to show at the upper mount.

 

DSC00224.jpg

 

Then it is simply a matter of refitting the original top mount washers & the new nyloc nut as supplied with the inserts ( NOTE: THE INSETS COME WITH A RUBBER SPACER ON THE THREADS … THIS IS FOR PACKAGING ONLY & SHOULD NOT BE FITTED).

 

In my case I held the larger washer with one hand & tightened the nut with a socket wrench which prevented the insert from rotating. I finally torqued up to the recommended figure.

 

Job done:

 

DSC00231.jpg

 

So wheels back on, car back on the floor … simple ;)

 

Well now of course the suspension heights have changed. The rear has lifted by an 1” !! . So next port of call is a full suspension set up including this time accurate corner weights .

 

DSC00232.jpg

 

I have not driven the car yet so can’t comment on the Bilsteins. I’ll report back after my suspension set up.

 

 

Hope I havn’t rambled too much

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Beautiful car and garage mate and a nice writeup too, very welcome info for the board.

 

Well done :signs118:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great write-up - thanks!

 

Personally I would put some oil (I have used gearbox oil) in the strut before inserting the damper insert.

 

I have had problems on one previous car when I replaced the strut inserts and didn't do this. Only two destroyed track rod ends and a broken steering rack later did I cure the problem with oil in the strut housing.

 

Oil in the strut will damp any movement of the strut insert. There should be no downside to putting the oil in.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The syringe idea might just trump Jevvy's teeshirt solution. Great write up :signs118:. I'm on it tonight. Probably.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Great write-up - thanks!

 

Personally I would put some oil (I have used gearbox oil) in the strut before inserting the damper insert.

 

I have had problems on one previous car when I replaced the strut inserts and didn't do this. Only two destroyed track rod ends and a broken steering rack later did I cure the problem with oil in the strut housing.

 

Oil in the strut will damp any movement of the strut insert. There should be no downside to putting the oil in.

 

I'll see how things go. Advice from Chuck Moreland & Bilstein appears to be not to add oil, but I know Tuthills & Mike bainbridge like it to aid cooling ( although Chuck reckons this isn't need either as the Bilstein into Boge Insert is working upside down with the main workings in the bit above the strut body).

 

I need to get the suspension set up 1st and then get some miles under its belt and see how the inserts settle in :)

Edited by hot66

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just wrote a reply and lost it before I could submit it, so here goes again.

Done my fronts tonight as well. Started last night but had to buy a pipe wrench to continue and got a feckin' huge 36" beast from Machine Mart this morning. Great piece of kit that made light work of the external threaded caps of my later struts. Easy job in the end with the above guide and Bentley for torque settings. Fiddliest bit is getting the oil out, but maybe I was lucky with the other stuff. Didn't manage to get a syringe so used a teeshirt and a crow bar (to shove the tee far enough down the strut).

The only advice I'd add is fit the dust cover when the strut is still outside the wheelarch because it gives something much bigger to press on to compress the strut. They go in easy then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Update as posted on on DDK the other day:

 

Things were quiet in the office this afternoon, the sun was out & the strong wind had wicked away the wetness from the roads, so I decided to take the Porsche out for 1/2 hour around my favorite local loop Cool

 

1st impressions of the new suspension are great :)

 

Front suspension:

 

At last I now HAVE suspension travel ... previously when I hit a bump the front of the car would ride over it with hardly any suspension compression, resulting in me being thrown around all over the place. I had commented on this many times in the past, as had other DDKers who had followed me over bumpy Yorkshire country roads.

 

With the new inserts the suspension actually works Cool . Ride is a lot smoother ( although still hard compared to modern cars) & I can now attack the roads with more confidence. Bizarrly, now the suspenion is working through its travel, on flatish roads with an uneven surface I get a lot more of the road surface transfered through to the steering wheel. This didn't happen previously. I think this maybe more of a result of teh elephant bushes? Judging from the condition of my old strut inserts I now think the nearside one was partially siezing under compression.

 

Rear suspension:

 

This feels great Cool The old shocks must have really been worn because the rear end never felt secure, especially over yumps where the suspension just felt uncontrolled.

 

The new shocks have really tightened the rear end up & going over a yump on my route the car felt extremely well planted :) Mind you the sprint shocks are uprated spec.

 

 

Overall:

 

Even though I have only done about 25 miles, the car feels a lot more secure & stable & has allready given me the confidence to attack the roads harder than I used to. I have still not had the suspension set up done yet so hopefully that will improve things even further :)

Edited by hot66

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great thread and very useful as I have just changed the front and rear dampers with Bilstein sports. The details in here are excellent to follow and thought I would just update with pics of what my front inserts looked like as the cap nut was different:

 

1st the well used rears (103K miles)

IMG_0212Medium.jpg

 

front inserts - looked very clean and no damage inside, but I could move them extremely easily with one hand - they almost fell out of the wheel arch when the bolt was removed and the thread pushed through the top mount.

 

IMG_0213Medium.jpg

 

The Cap nut on the front inserts was different from any I had seen on PP or here - it needed a box spanner to get it off, which of course i did not have:

 

IMG_0215Medium.jpg

But this saved the day:

 

IMG_0427Medium.jpg

 

I would also re-emphasis WATCH OUT FOR THE FLEXI BRAKE HOSES when you move the strut out of the front arches.

 

Sorry forgot to take pics of the new front inserts cap nut - that went on very easily and the C-spanner you should have in the tool kit for replacing the fan belt fitted the new nut.

 

 

Post fitting impressions was that suddenly the car felt much fresher and easier to drive. It's also now had a full alignment and corner weight set up and it's a different car to drive - no more big bumps and thumps coming through the wheel and the steering loads up a lot less when pushing it in a corner. Providing you don't get any problems removing the front inserts the whole job on all 4 corners is an easy days work.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×