jevvy Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Alllreeet Decided to keep the git and make a start on messing it up like I have done with the blue one I have a few ideas about stuff I want to try with most of it being based around shedding as much weight as I can and getting the suspension knocked into shape. I will keep the 3.0 engine for now but plan on ultimately dropping a 3.6 in when I find a good cheap lump. There is some rust to deal with as I go but some of the panel changes might mean I dont have to do as much as I would had I been wanting to restore it to standard spec(ie GRP rear wings). Anyway here is a list of things im pretty sure I will be doing: Sweepco the box Gearbox and engine mounts (superpro) Pop-off valve thingy (is this not quite important on an SC) 3.2 brakes (if I can fnd some cheap...why did I ever sell mine...) Turbo tie rods Torsion bar bushes Bananna arm bushes rear ARB bushes front ARB bushes front a-arm bushes Front top mount bushes Remove every scrap of interior I'm tempted to do all the bushes with the Superpro stuff, have been impressed with the engine mounts. GRP/carbon parts I will be looking for: bonnet flat lid front wings doors rear wings roof (might try the TB method fist if I can persuade him to Tig it) bumpers Placcy windows I cant splash too much cash this year so will making a start on the cheap stuff first like getting all the suspension bushes sorted and hopefully pick up some cheaper placcy parts during that time. I got my 5m welding badge now so I wana try some new stuff like killing myself with fiberglass - should be a laff! I really want to keep it narrow body but part of me is thinking if im adding GRP flares front and rear I might be missing a trick not going wide? I do like wider 911's but I want to focus on weight and wider = wider wheels and wot-not so doesn't really fit...hmmm. Have also been thinking about backdate but I think I do really prefer the IB era look. I'm going to avoid any engine/power updates for now as it will be wasted cash if I find the right 3.6 + I fancy having the chance of learning how to drive a slow car fast rather than a fast car slow Other than the common weight saving stuff that we chat about all the time has anyone got any hardcore ideas? Also if anyone has any placcy parts they are looking to move on please give me a shout. Here is how the Git stands today:
GaryH Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) I think the pop off valve mod is more important on earlier SC's (prior to 1980?) Can't remember where I read this, but IIRC they made some mods to 1980 onwards cars that meant they were much less prone to blowing up the airboxes ? My '82 SC certainly doesn't have a pop off valve, but then I've never had it backfire either Edited June 11, 2009 by GaryH
johndglynn Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Go for it Jev. Why not use rivet-on placcy panels on lightened original steel stuff where you can, saves bonding and mess, ensures a good fit and looks the nuts IMO. One good way to save weight is work out a decent brake conversion that doesn't use half a ton of lead on the end of every wishbone. Also maybe think about a welded cage and then drilling some parts like the tunnel. Extinguisher install might be a nice idea too. I would also go through the bare shell and weld up stamped holes where possible. Could seam weld some areas for strength - reinforce the turrets etc to get the suspension working right with that 3.6 power. Consider a better air intake system through the rear windows and firewall. Let your imagination go wild mate.
GaryH Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) I fancy having the chance of learning how to drive a slow car fast rather than a fast car slow Works for me Edited June 11, 2009 by GaryH
MrPerkles Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) whatever it has to have 15s ,minilites on the back with fuch front sombody on here has to do that Brace and seam weld the tub everywhere ,b*****d cage with ally struts and supports,rip out the electrics and custom loom it which saves loads weight Pop rivetted on fibreglass 934 wings and spray itor wrap it some daft colour/scheme,one off perky extreme racing exhaust to scare small children keep it 3 litre and make it a revving high cam nutter motor with short gearing Edited June 11, 2009 by MrPerkles
jevvy Posted June 11, 2009 Author Posted June 11, 2009 Go for it Jev. Why not use rivet-on placcy panels on lightened original steel stuff where you can, saves bonding and mess, ensures a good fit and looks the nuts IMO. One good way to save weight is work out a decent brake conversion that doesn't use half a ton of lead on the end of every wishbone. Also maybe think about a welded cage and then drilling some parts like the tunnel. Extinguisher install might be a nice idea too. I would also go through the bare shell and weld up stamped holes where possible. Could seam weld some areas for strength - reinforce the turrets etc to get the suspension working right with that 3.6 power. Consider a better air intake system through the rear windows and firewall. Let your imagination go wild mate. Rivet on wings could be an option but I was hoping to lose more metal than that. I did a bit of fiberglass stuff at college and really liked it so I dont mind having a go, whats the worst that could happen...I have to turn it into a 911 dune buggy! Perks was saying about seam welding etc, again something ive always wanted to do/try. Love the cutting holes idea and in fact I fancy cutting the whole rear seat assembly out as im sure that could be re-created with less weight. Exciting!
heckschleuderer Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 I'm loving the sound of all the planned mods Jevvy. If I ever get to create a track-tool, I would hope to go bolt-on wide-body as in the piccie below. Good luck
GaryH Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 keep it 3 litre and make it a revving high cam nutter motor with short gearing You and me at one on this Perks, but you know Jev, he had sipped from the 3.6 cup and isn't looking back
Jammo Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 I'm loving the sound of all the planned mods Jevvy. If I ever get to create a track-tool, I would hope to go bolt-on wide-body as in the piccie below. Good luck Gordon, tempted by those arch extensions,,,, where the hell can you get those though???????? Any help would be appreciated - Oh no, he's off again. Regards Jammo. Jevvy, one sure-fire way of loosing wieght and getting it fast in a straight(ish) line......... Trike it. Hang on to this puppy........ Regards Jammo.
Richard Bernau Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 If you do this 934 stuff, you need 600hp, laggy, massive single turbo hp to go with it. Doesn't sound like that is the plan. After thinking of IROC look for my car for years, I am coming round to the narrow body as a better platform for driving fun. If you are serious about the GRP rear qtrs then we need to talk. I have to take some rust out from below the RH rear qtr window on mine and I have put it off for nearly 2 years now not being able to decide narrow, wide, steel, GRP? The idea of DZU'd GRP qtrs is pretty tempting for me as I have to spend dollars anyway. Let me guess, you are thinking of something like this -
jevvy Posted June 11, 2009 Author Posted June 11, 2009 Yes you are on the right track, I have many pics of that white one and quite like it except the rear bumper looks a bit odd. Thinking this kinda thing but without the flare or backdate: Lets chat...you found any decent rear quarters?
oliverjamesthomas Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Warning! Curve Ball! If you want to strip it Jevvy, why not turn it into a compliant racer? I'm thinking longer term here and possible preservation of value. The SC will be good for a few different series and a good one will be worth money to someone if you decide to sell. Until that day comes, you'd be looking at a really great track car that you can have a load of fun with. Personally I'd avoid building another hybrid of some description; you've got the blue one already, so why replicate? Here's where I'd be going: Get rid of everything that you don't need, (headlining, seats, trim, etc). Remove all the wiring that isn't necessary. Stiff bushes everywhere, rose joints where possible. You can look wherever you like, but I've rarely seen a properly stiff 911 where the suspension is doing all the work. MSA approved cage and seats, fire extinguisher, cut-offs, etc. Toyo's or Cups. 3.2 brakes with decent fluid, pads, stainless hoses, etc. Bilstein Clubsports and later 3.2 ARB's. Personally I'd leave the TB's standard. The list goes on, but I think you could build a really good quality race car that doesn't look like someone has converted it from a road car with a sledgehammer. That's where I'm heading with my 911 without a doubt, although mine will ideally be an FIA car when it's done. In your case, I think you could build something really good for not a lot of money and if you really want to do all the fibreglass bits, etc, you've got the blue one as a base. Just a thought though. (BTW, Jake and I are sharing stopwatch duties on Saturday so I'm opening negotiations for bribes and times ).
Richard Bernau Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 If you want to strip it Jevvy, why not turn it into a compliant racer? I'm thinking longer term here and possible preservation of value. The SC will be good for a few different series and a good one will be worth money to someone if you decide to sell. Until that day comes, you'd be looking at a really great track car that you can have a load of fun with. Building to a set of rules is smart *IF* you think the market will pay more for that compliant race car than say just a cool track car. If you are thinking PCGB club racer then monoballs etc go out the window and you are restricted in bodywork and cage. Are you thinking of another series? Are SCs eligible in any historic series right now? I don't see club racers commanding much value right now unless it is historic eligible. Admittedly, I am not in the market. If you were to build a trackday car for resale only then you do a really nice 3.0RS or 2.7RS rep - look at the stuff Specialist Cars often sell. Whether you can command that price for a private build though is highly questionable. If you are doing neither of the above, just building what you want may be most satisfying. I really like the idea of quick release DZU'd panels. Not sure if the general public will be such a buyer, but then I am not building to resell.
MrPerkles Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) keep it narrow ,heres a perfect reason why The iroc blue 3.6 on 15s that was stripped out at LeMans was a pretty perfect track car to me,fast, low and looked cool Did you get a good look at it Jev ? Edited June 11, 2009 by MrPerkles
johndglynn Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 I really like the idea of quick release DZU'd panels. Not sure if the general public will be such a buyer, but then I am not building to resell. This is the future. Proper bastards are the way to go, forget resale and go wild, really go for it. That white car is a step in the right direction but could be loads better. 7x16s are about as bastard as my granny!
REX Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 A whole removeable back end would be pukka (QOTY?). There is summat not quite right about that white one, seen all the pics on PP and love the idea in theory just can't put my finger on why it misses the mark for me.
Tripe Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Strip every last part off it, cut off the panels you want to replace then refit only the bare minimum of bits to keep it running and legal.
Richard Bernau Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 GT Racing for panels Jev. Agree that the white Flieger car looks not 100%
Von Twinzig Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 I've got pretty new 3.2 calipers and discs coming off the the front of the Turbo sometime soon Jev. Think they're a bolt on upgrade for the SC. Edit: Also got a spare rear F/G bumper.
REX Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Bumper? Got distracted at work by the GT racing site, group buy?
GaryH Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 I've got pretty new 3.2 calipers and discs coming off the the front of the Turbo sometime soon Jev. Think they're a bolt on upgrade for the SC. Deffo
Northy Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Good lad Jevvy - you know it makes sense ;-) Just get 3.2 front calipers and leave the SC rears on, you won't need the PV then. In a light car with sticky tyres and relatively low power, you might not need the massive brakes. I like the sound of the bolt on rear arches, but I'm with you guys on that white car, something doesn't look quite right to me. The Dirty Penny is one of my favourites and minilite rears and fuchs front rock - go for it.
anthonyw Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Sounds like an excellent plan Jev. Lots of inspiration out there, and wide minilights would be cool. Prepfab do quite a lot of interesting bits and pieces for rallying, like plastic panels/windows/cages/minilights etc., so might be worth a look. Fibreglass panels sounds like a good idea for both weight and cost. I have just ordered a new offside front wing for mine @ £540 I have got some 3.2 calipers spare, but they would probably need a rebuild. If you decide to go that way, just give me a shout. Looking forward to following this. Anthony.
MrPerkles Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 keep it white ,fibreglass bumpers etc and add some funky stickers
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